Peter Thiel speaks: Apple over, no sex in Silicon Valley, Elon Musk is like Trump

Peter Thiel talked to Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, and all we got were these (not lousy at all) quotes:

“The election had an apocalyptic feel to it.”

“I worry there’s a part of Silicon Valley that is hyper-politically correct about sex. One of my friends has a theory that the rest of the country tolerates Silicon Valley because people there just don’t have that much sex. They’re not having that much fun.”

“A Twitter war is not a real war.” (What could he be talking about?)

There’s more. A lot more, considering how little the billionaire entrepreneur had talked publicly since his show of support for President-elect Donald Trump. Thiel’s support for Trump before the election was unusual in the tech industry; after Trump’s surprise victory, Thiel appears to be in charge of rallying tech support for the president-elect. But he says he won’t have a full-time position in the administration.

Thiel, co-founder of PayPal and Palantir and an early investor in and board member of Facebook, also declared the age of innovation at Apple over but says it’s not Tim Cook’s fault; says he isn’t a vampire quite yet; and thinks California seceding from the country is a “good idea” and “would help Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign.” Oh, and he seems quite comfortable in his spot on the board of Facebook.

Thiel, a libertarian who once wrote that women’s suffrage was bad for democracy, has long been an enigma in left-leaning Silicon Valley. When word got out last year that he would be a California delegate for Trump, it wasn’t too surprising but it did raise eyebrows.

There was some tech-industry backlash against Thiel’s primetime speech at the Republican National Convention over the summer, including from venture capitalist and former Googler Hunter Walk.

“Peter doesn’t speak for me,” Walk tweeted in July. “Doesn’t speak for 150+ of my peers. And doesn’t speak for most of tech community” (The link is to an open letter from the tech sector opposing Trump’s candidacy.)

Walk also brought up the fact that Thiel is an immigrant — notable because Trump’s campaign fanned anti-immigrant flames.

In the Times interview, Thiel addresses that concern this way: “Even if there are aspects of Trump that are retro and that seem to be going back to the past, I think a lot of people want to go back to a past that was futuristic — ‘The Jetsons,’ ‘Star Trek.’ They’re dated but futuristic.”

There has also been speculation that Palantir, the Silicon Valley data-mining company that Thiel founded, will be involved in building a Muslim registry for the Trump administration. “We would not do that,” Thiel told the Times.

Thiel, who is gay, also told the Times that “Trump is very good on gay rights. I don’t think he will reverse anything. I would obviously be concerned if I thought otherwise.”

Vice President-elect Mike Pence isn’t especially popular with the LGBT community because of his views on gays and gay marriage, but Thiel says he’s not worried — and gets a dig in aimed at liberals. “For speaking at the Republican convention, I got attacked way more by liberal gay people than by conservative Christian people,” Thiel told the Times.

There’s a lot more in the Times interview and Thiel’s “confirm or deny” session with Dowd — including whether he prefers “Star Wars” to “Star Trek” — but we’ll end with this quote because it’s about Silicon Valley rock star and fellow PayPal mafia member Elon Musk.

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Musk was no fan of Donald Trump, but he has since been named to the president-elect’s business advisory team.

Dowd asked Thiel whether Musk and Trump are similar.

“I’m going to get in trouble, but they are, actually,” Thiel said. “They’re both grandmaster-level salespeople and these very much larger-than-life figures.”


Photo: Apple CEO Tim Cook, right, and PayPal founder Peter Thiel, center, listen as President-elect Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with technology industry leaders at Trump Tower in New York on Dec. 14, 2016. (Evan Vucci/AP)


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  • phosgene

    big difference is that musk decided to earn his fortune making the world better
    while trump earned his fortune making the world more gauche

    • Devildog

      Another difference is musk has recieved billions in federal money in govt subsidies and trump hasn’t

      • Because Musk was self made and therefor made use of business grants, loans and actively pursued investors….while Trump got his start from daddy’s pocket. And please…don’t even try to claim he built his fortune from a single million dollar loan from papa, try multiplying that by about 10. I am all for giving people their due respect but please don’t rewrite history on Trump…

  • Millard Farquar

    who is this idiot to make this statement.

  • xombygod

    How was trumps victory a surprise? I drive cross country and never saw one not a single pro clinton bumper sticker, yet I saw dozens for trump.

    • Snorlaxation

      You must’ve been driving through trump-supporting states then, because clinton ones were rather frequent. Although to be fair, I saw more signs for clinton, and more bumper stickers for trump.

    • Jack Dee

      Enjoy your Manchurian candidate. He is not my pres.

  • Todd D. Webb

    This article is dishonest and biased. When the author called Trump “anti-immigrant”, that was a flagrant outright lie. Trump is “anti illegal alien” and obviously not “anti-immigrant”. This article’s author is either ignorant or a liar.

    • Snorlaxation

      It wasn’t exactly a lie. He’s definitely against illegal immigrants (though if he really wants to stop it, he needs to target the americans that hire them, thus eliminating the possibility of immigrants coming here illegally since they’d know they’d never find work), but he’s also allowed a bias against immigration to spread throughout some of his followers, and it’s obvious he has little interest in muslims coming into the country. That at least clearly equals anti immigrant.

      Aside from that, (though I admit it can be taken the wrong way) there’s really nothing wrong with this article.

      • jimintexas

        The author implied that Trump’s stance on illegal aliens extended to immigrants. Theil recognizes the difference but the author apparently does not.

        • Snorlaxation

          like I just said though, trump has allowed his stance on illegals to extend to a few immigrants, specifically of the muslim variety. and perhaps more importantly, many of those that support trump have allowed this to validate their own far harsher prejudices against any kinds of immigrants. Trump may say one thing, clearly enough, but by not laying out clearly that he also DOESN’T support his supporters twisting of his own words, he’s only hurting his side’s image.

          • jimintexas

            People in this country are allowed to think that we do not need any more immigrants. We are allowed to believe that the USA should be picky and allow only the best and the brightest to become citizens and the days where we took in the worlds tired and the poor to fuel continental expansion and displace native populations is long past. We are allowed to have a variety of opinions about about everything and to dislike anyone for any reason and be free of harassment by the thought police that the left has become and that is one of the reasons Trump won everywhere except the large urban liberal centers.

          • Todd D. Webb

            Trump supporters are not the mindless drones that voted for that train wreck we’ve had for the past 8 years. Trump supporters think for themselves regardless of, and sometimes in spite of, the attempted control of the dnc and the media (but I repeat myself). Americans got sick of being told that they can’t disagree with the policies of Barrack Hussein Muhammed Obama Soetoro because that would be “racist”. Apparently, according to the left and the media (but I repeat myself) you can’t have a difference of opinion on healthcare, foreign policy, domestic policy, immigration, tax reform, etc when it comes to a black president because that’s “racist”. And still the media and the dnc (I repeated myself again) tried to play the “sexist” card for Billary, but that didn’t work. Americans were simply fed up with all the immaturity and said name calling from the left. We want our country back. We want our freedoms back. And we’re GOING to have it back. If it takes electing Trump to do that, then so be it.

          • Snorlaxation

            Don’t be foolish. The number of people that were labeled racist were typically those that chose to imply or outright claim that Obama was some middle eastern menace on a mission to destroy the U.S., believed the stupid hoopla about him not being a citizen of our country. When it came to healthcare, Obama’s group definitely fumbled their delivery, there’s no debating that. But what’s also not debatable was how so many conservatives were against the concept of universal healthcare whatsoever, and how many people like Texas’ gov. at the time outright made it impossible to work with obamacare because the hoops were a massive pain.

            Trump is already appearing to act like a huge baby, (big surprise), but like i’ve said before, people didn’t just vote for Trump because of who he is or what he supposedly stood for, they voted for him because the stupid DNC and hilary herself, underestimated just how many people hated the clintons, or saw trump as a third (not third party) option between clinton and lots of the other losers (not all of them running were) on the republican side. They saw trump as someone different from all the rest, but what we’re seeing about him and his attitudes and denying of claims pertaining to developments on intel where russia is concerned, all only shows negative aspects of him.

            He’s going to be our president in the next couple of days, he’s hired a bunch of VERY anti-lgbt+ cabinet members and yet continues to claim he’s pro-gay and whatnot, and gets into TWITTER battles with just about anyone that says anything ‘mean’ about him.

            Voting for someone like him because you’re tired of all the stupid pay-to-play politics or internal drama or religious interference from conservatives, all that makes perfect sense, but voting for him because some people in our country got aggravating for fighting for women’s rights and gay rights and whatnot? No one who disagreed with the more progressive way our country was running was thrown in jail just for not liking it, or just for speaking their mind about it. FOX news anchors are proof of that.

            Yes, a lot of losers on the left chose to resort to blanket statements regarding those that disagreed, and that put them in the wrong, because generalizations don’t often ever lead to truth, but to say trump supporters all were capable of independent though? No. They weren’t. So many of them showed their ignorance by simply buying into crack pot theories like Obama being riddled with AIDS or him secretly having sex with Putin, or rebelling against anything pertaining to Obama or the left regardless of how wrong they were to do so simply because of association.

            Lots of people on both sides were in the wrong, no room for debate there, and now, Trump is about to officially be our president. In spite of all the proof from these last couple of months to the contrary, I will continue to hope for the best from him, but I will prepare for the worst.

          • Todd D. Webb

            Universal healthcare is a disaster in the making. Regardless of whether you call it obamacare, Castro care, our anything else. Nothing’s free and that certainly applies to healthcare. The way to improve the healthcare system we already had was to open up insurance across state lines and have MAJOR tort reform and frivolous lawsuit reform for starters. You can’t make healthcare free. The way to improve healthcare is to make it cheaper, more widely available (free market), and for people to start taking more and more personal responsibility for caring for their own health. It’s WAY past time people stopped being fat, smoking, and doing drugs.

      • Todd D. Webb

        Even “if” he were anti-muslim, and I’m not fully convinced he is, that wouldn’t equal “anti-immigrant”. There are already muslims here that don’t need to migrate and even considering the muslims that “would” be migrating, it would only be a small select portion of the people wanting to migrate. So still, “anti-immigrant” is incorrect. The most you could say at that point is that he’s “anti-muslim” not “anti-immigrant”. Besides, the truth of the matter is that he’s “anti-terrorist” and “anti-islamic extremist”. The problem is, you really can’t tell an islamic terrorist from the rest. Muslims have absolutely no problem lying to anyone, even other muslims which makes it near impossible to weed out the extremists. So in order to make America safer, contrary to obama’s agenda, you’d need to automatically suspect every single muslim and even those you suspect of being muslim.

        • Snorlaxation

          The thing is, you’d have to end up putting an asterisk on several of those points.

          “Trump is not Anti-Immigrant”*

          *He is against allowing Muslims into the country unless placed under constant surveillance. (or something to that effect, for example).

          true that we’d need to be suspicious, because this particular enemy lies and is willing to remain hidden for however long they like, but don’t ignore the number of terrorists that we’ve had here who’ve used middle eastern terms or beliefs to hide the fact that they’re just a white guy in their basement.

          We’ve been suspicious of the Japanese and other middle eastern people’s before, and we allowed that to alter our perception of american citizens who just happened to be a part of those nationalities, and things did Not go well.

          • Todd D. Webb

            It wasn’t wrong to “suspect” people in America of Japanese descent during WW2. It was the internment camps that the innocent went into that was wrong. We’ve somehow moved away from the principle of innocent until proven guilty. But with Muslims we also are right in “suspecting” them given the muslim terrorist threat existent all over the world today. It’s only prudent to do so. But past lessons have been learnt. There are currently no muslim internment camps in America.

          • Snorlaxation

            There are no interment camps, but we’ve moved beyond that. There wouldn’t be camps because they wouldn’t be allowed. There are so many conservatives (and some liberals too most definitely) that want them out in the open, to conform, associate their religion with all of the bad stuff others do in the name of it.

            Yes, Their religion has quite a few horrible things according to our own beliefs, but so too does catholicism/christianity, and many horrendous things have been done in the name of them in this country even today.

            Prudency is one thing. Fear and Prejudice is another. We have so many threats to worry about, ones that have existed for many many years now and are coming out of the wordwork (North Korea, Russia, China it seems too). But while our freedom does have it’s drawbacks, like with dealing with those of the Muslim faith who are and must be treated as american citizens, we also have more freedom to call other countries out on their own failings, the power to make fun of our own politicians and even our presidents, while many of them can’t without swift punishments.

          • Todd D. Webb

            Horrendous things done today in the name of Christianity? Where is that being done? Please, show me. Show me a Christian nation who wants every Jew and/or some other religion dead and wiped off the face of the earth. Show me a Christian nation who oppresses women and stones them to death because the woman was raped. Show me the “millions” of Christians who believe in waging a holy war against ANYONE who isn’t Christian. THEN show me in the Bible where it directs Christians to do these sorts of things. No, Islam is evil. Pure and simple. It’s nothing more than a fairy tale started by an evil, violent, liar who proclaimed himself to be a “prophet”. Show me where Jesus wage a holy war on non-believers. Show me where Jesus was a pedophile who married a pre-pubescent girl and beat on his wives. There is absolutely NO comparison between Christianity and the demonic ideology of islam. Muslims should be given the chance in freedom to question their believes and have the opportunity to come out of that darkness. But make no mistake, islam is evil and prescribes evil from it’s very start and through out it’s sacred texts regardless of whether it’s followers follow such prescribed evil or not. Therefore islam should ALWAYS be under suspicion.

    • Jack Dee

      Trump employs a known racist named Steve Bannon. Even Republicans believe Bannon is a lunatic right-wing hatemonger. I think it is a fair assumption from the public that Trump is anti-immigrant.

      • Todd D. Webb

        Firstly, “racism” is different than “immigration”. Stay on topic. Secondly, you’re trying to prosecute Bannon and have brought up the charge of racism. Now it is on you to present the evidence. Go!

        Left-wingers always try to play the “racism” card when they’ve lost the argument or have nothing to begin with. So scream racism all you want. It’s a dead word now that left-wingers have over used it and incorrectly use it, but either way, I await the evidence that you will present to clearly show that Brannon is a racist. Let’s see it.

        • MaxVeritas

          What is your source for belief in the egregious, divisive myth of races? Secondly, your genesis began with who?

          • Todd D. Webb

            Off-topic. Try again.

          • MaxVeritas

            Refusing to define your rationale, (assuming it is rational) for using the term racism, which btw, you used 4x, is off-putting. Note: Even if it were to rightly be construed as off-topic, it’s certainly not out-of-line nor offensive.

          • Todd D. Webb

            Refusing to define my rationale for using the term racism? Really? It’s called common sense. Poster A (Jack Dee) flippantly just threw out the term “racist” without evidence. Hence, as is common sense, as is reality, in my response I also used the term “racism” to address his mention of the term “racist”. How is this so confusing for you?

          • MaxVeritas

            Racist’s like Obama practice racism which is the perpetuation of the egregious, divisive myth of races. We are ONE RACE, ONE BLOOD, the human race. Just curious, does the racist shoe fit you? Y-N?

          • Todd D. Webb

            Obama, a racist? Yes. Only one race and not many? That’s debatable. There’s only one humanity, but there are sub groups within humanity. Young, old, male, female, etc. Race is just a word that identifies a concept. Mainly the combination of skin color and/or ethnicity. It’s not racist to admit reality: that there are varying skin colors/ethnicities. Race, in this context, is just a way to express the idea of differing skin colors/ethnicities.

          • MaxVeritas

            This dictionary doesn’t agree with your defining race to mean a concept.
            Race: a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
            We are ALL descendants of Adam and Eve who are the sources for the entire human race.

          • Todd D. Webb

            For Pete’s sake, if you’re going to use a dictionary to try and bash someone, at least LOOK up the dictionary term. Here, let me help you out.

            1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
            2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the Celtic race.
            3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
            4. Humans considered as a group.

            From Wikipedia:
            Race is the classification of humans into groups based on physical traits, ancestry, genetics or social relations, or the relations between them.

            1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
            2. a population so related.
            3. Anthropology.
            (no longer in technical use) any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics.
            an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
            a socially constructed category of identification based on physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation, or shared culture:
            Her parents wanted her to marry within her race.
            a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
            4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic lineage:
            the Slavic race.
            5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.:
            the Dutch race.
            6. the human race or family; humankind:

            So see? YOU’RE wrong and the dictionary DOESN’T completely agree with you and in fact DISAGREES with you in the EXACT SAME WAY I HAVE BEEN STATING. Don’t use “the dictionary” unless you’re going to USE the dictionary. I’m sure you cherry picked a single line that only supports your view, but I showed you the ENTIRE THING from MULTIPLE sources/dictionaries. For the love of the Almighty, get over yourself! Stop worshiping your own man made doctrine.

          • MaxVeritas

            Thanks for confirming my point we are ONE RACE, ONE BLOOD, the human race, all descendants of Adam and Eve, appreciate it.

          • Todd D. Webb

            Pull your head out, learn to read english, and then read what was actually posted. Multiple dictionaries prove you wrong on multiple accounts. The same dictionaries which you took out of context to try and prove your point. You’re wrong. Plain and simple. Get over yourself and grow up.

    • jimintexas

      It’s not anti-immigrant to want secure borders, it’s good sense. It is self destructive to allow in foreigners who want to destroy your country and the height of foolishness to willfully allow a system where you have no idea who is coming in.
      Silicon Valley just wants cheap foreign labor for their sweat shops.

      • Chris Kehley

        yes, those pesky Google sweat shops

        • Todd D. Webb

          The Apple Chinese sweatshops have them beat though. They had to install suicide nets for the Apple workers. True story.

    • JoeLorenzo

      When he says he wants our laws enforced he is “anti immigration” When he says Mexico is sending rapists and murderers here he is a racist (even though there is case after case of rape and murder by illegals here). When he says he wants better trade deals he is against free trade. When he says he wants members to pay their fair share of NATO costs he is against NATO. When he says he wants the media to be honest he is starting a war with the media. When he says he want our intelligence agency to stop the leaks he is anti intelligence.

      Good grief.

      • Todd D. Webb

        Your ultimate intent of this posting is unclear. On one hand it seems rather sarcastic. On the other, it wouldn’t surprise me for some lefty to be so mentally deranged they would actually believe and say this. If it’s sarcasm, kudos.

  • Frank Gravante

    Levi Sumagaysay (author of this article) your writing in this disjointed rambling article is biased.

    Mercury News, you are not a worthy news source because you publish this as a News Report, when clearly it is not.

  • Todd D. Webb

    There’s no disagreement that there’s only one kind of human. However, there are many different distinctions within humankind. Again, men & women, various skin colors (races), various ethnicities, various ages, etc. This is undeniable. Galatians 3:28 isn’t saying that there is no such thing as men and women and neither is it saying there are no such thing as races. It’s saying that there is no racial, sex/gender, or class requirement for salvation in Yahushua HaMashiach (Yahushua the Messiah). Look again at Acts 17:26 “And He has made from one blood EVERY NATION of men”. Even this very verse you quoted is referencing distinctions. Yes, there is only one kind of human, but yes, there are distinctions within the realm of “human” and that includes “races” just like “sexes/genders”.

  • Todd D. Webb

    It takes a despicable human being to falsely accuse someone of being a racist simply because they’re losing an intellectual argument. Are you sure you want to do that again?

    You’re being hypocritical here. Earlier you were berating me for using the term race and now you are trying to accuse me of “racism” even though you don’t believe in varying “races”. Therefore “you” don’t believe someone could be “racist” because there are no “races” in your theology. Come on. Think this through and be consistent.

    People are different. You CANNOT deny that. In fact, you just admitted as much when describing racial characteristics. “Race” is simply a term to express a certain idea of a certain difference between people. Why are you worshiping this whole “no race” theology? Why do you feel it so important to wage this losing crusade?

    • MaxVeritas

      Your failure to post reasoned civil discourse and instead to use character assassination in place of it has triggered the end of my back and forth. Should you post another insult of my character color yourself blocked.

      • Todd D. Webb

        Are you even listening to yourself? YOU called ME a racist. That’s character assasination and your assertion was completely unfounded at that. You, my friend, are a hypocrite in the truest sense of the word. Please, oh please block me and don’t respond. You’re not reading what I write anyways. You’re not responding to it so I know you’re not reading it. You’re just trying to pound your belief into someone else and then acting immature and calling them racist when they don’t bow down and worship you. You’re not convincing anyone by continuing in this childish manner. Again, go ahead and block me. Make yourself feel as though you’re superior in some manner even though you acted in an immature and hypocritical manner. Yeah, I’ll schedule some time in to feel bad about some random self-absorbed person on the internet blocking me. Does 3:00 tomorrow work for you?

  • Todd D. Webb

    Single payer (universal healthcare) will never work. It’s simply a form of communism through and through and communism and socialism (communism lite) never work. The free market is the way to go. Shrink down government, lower taxes, and give the taxpayer more of their money back. Open up the market and make the insurance companies compete and that will drive down insurance prices. Make it so that it’s not a requirement that people buy health insurance and insurance companies have more of an incentive to lower it to such a price that it’s desirable and sensible for citizens to buy it.

    People shouldn’t be told they can’t smoke. If you want to smoke, go for it. Just don’t expect my tax dollars to pay for ANY healthcare associated with your smoking habit and irresponsibility.

    Yes, tax payer money is wasted. Stop the bailouts. No company is too big to fail. Stop the handouts to projects that are a failure from the beginning like Solindra. Stop the entitlement programs like welfare. Shut down the FED and shutdown the EPA. Shut down all, if not most, of the IRS and let’s go to a straight sales tax. There’s a lot of fat that needs to be trimmed, yes. We can start with the salary of elected officials.

    No, two dudes should not be getting married. In fact, they can’t get married. It’s a technical impossibility given that marriage is between a man and a woman. Legalizing doesn’t make it moral or right. They’re still disease ridden and have a much shorter lifespan. Neither of which are good for society. Not to mention the immorality and unnaturalness of it. They may call it “marriage” all they want, but in the end it’s still an abomination. Plain and simple. Maybe a better case could be made if it weren’t for the gay nazis doing everything they can to shut down and completely destroy any person or business that doesn’t completely agree with and work with their lifestyle choice. Add that on top of the gay nazis saying that if you don’t agree with their lifestyle choice then you don’t have free speech. It’s nazism through and through and anyone with any sense isn’t going to put up with nazism.

    The back lash you’re seeing from the left is from the immature snowflakes with nothing better to do than believe all the garbage that the main stream media puts out about Trump being a womanizer and Putin rigging the election. Most of these children don’t even know about Billary’s getting four American’s killed in Benghazi, her ILLEGAL email scam, and her “pay to play” with foreign nations funneling money through HER organization before they could even get an audience from her. And that’s just to name a few. What’s even worse is that those who DO here these horrible things she’s done, don’t even care. The biggest thing these children are back lashing against is that santa clause is no longer in the oval office and there’s a good chance that all their handouts are going to be cut or gone, like “universal healthcare”, and they’re actually going to have to do something and take some responsibility. These are the people who have never grown up and it’s about time they do. All these people lashing back because of the election are simply experiencing growing pains as they “hopefully” are coming more into maturity. It’s only more evidence of how Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama Sotoero has divided this country to astronomical proportions. NEVER has such violence and disarry been exhibited with the switch between presidents. It’s time for the left to grow up.