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My jet's pretty big, how big is yours?

boeing.jpgEvery Silicon Valley tech giant has to have his jet. Google co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page have settled on a Boeing 767 as their personal jet, and it's currently down in Dallas getting interior work done, or at least that's according to Jeff Nolan, over at SAP Ventures, who told us that he'd bumped into a guy in the aviation industry who said as much. In April, we reported that Chief Executive Schmidt sold his ownership interest in his jet, which he had owned for several years and let the company use for business trips. In February, he purchased another jet, and the Google board agreed to reimburse him $7,000 an hour for its use.


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Comments

Well,

Whats next? Google Corporate Airlines for their employees?

vamsi on September 10, 2005 7:07 AM
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Wow only $7,000 an hour to use, what a steal...

the english guy on September 10, 2005 5:12 PM
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"Wow only $7,000 an hour to use, what a steal..."

that made me chuckle.

havock on September 10, 2005 8:24 PM
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I dont think you guys get it. This isnt a Google jet, this is for personal use of Larry and Sergey. Theyre probably gettin the jet interior redone to look like a floating loft apartment or something. Isnt it "evil" to waste so much fuel and create so much pollution just to be able to say you can? Sergey and Larry have sold out.

Andrew on September 10, 2005 9:16 PM
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actually 7000 an hour for something that big seems pretty cheap

Mike on September 10, 2005 9:18 PM
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lol @ Andrew. I'm assuming you drive a hydrogen fueled vehicle? No? You are also polluting the earth too.

Jesus Christ....

If I had the money, and needed to go places, I would have my own private plane too... Screw driving... Screw waiting to get airline tickets and not having privacy.

So what if planes pollute the earth? U ever flown? Was it because you needed to or wanted to? Business or pleasure?

Most people fly because it's for pleasure, and I'm sure that this airplane won't just be used for pleasure.

They haven't sold out. Did they sell google to microshaft? i dont fuckin think so....


think b4 u speak.

kubedawg on September 10, 2005 10:37 PM
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Mike you are a twit.

What Andrew meant is that executive class planes are smaller, are ridiculously comfortable and elegant but are way smaller than a 767 which as he correctly stated seats between 200 to 400 passengers.

Our company does interior work on private planes that are used by Fortune 500 CEO's, oil sheiks and spoiled rock/movie stars and there is nothing a 767 has on them except size.
The Global Express XRS is a just a filthy rich palace and were redoing the inside of a Bombardier Challenger 800 corporate shuttle which seats about 50-60 people in regular is going to be used by a well known band so were gonna gonna pimp it out to make the XRS look like some ghetto dive.

if this 767 is just for personal use for a handful of people , then its a my dick is bigger thing. Its also called overcompensating.


>Most people fly because it's for pleasure,
What the F@%(^!!??
Learn to form coherent sentences before you flame others.

zeke

zeke on September 10, 2005 11:56 PM
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Very cool! Just a note, a Boeing 767 is not a "Jumbo Jet." The term "Jumbo Jet" is only reserved for the Boeing 747.

Kerwin...

Kerwin on September 11, 2005 6:17 AM
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kubedawg:

> lol @ Andrew. I'm assuming you drive a hydrogen fueled
> vehicle? No? You are also polluting the earth too.
> Jesus Christ....

Right, except burning oil to generate hydrogen makes pretty much the same pollution as burning it in a car would, so hydrogen makes little to no difference. At best hydrogen decouples energy source and use so that in future the fossil-fuel based source can be replaced without having to reconfigure millions of engines.

Having "also" and "too" in your sentence is a little redundant - next time choose one of these.

> So what if planes pollute the earth? U ever flown? Was
> it because you needed to or wanted to? Business or
> pleasure?

OK, so I'll assume you're not just pretending to be dumb. Mike said "Isnt it 'evil' to waste so much fuel". Note: "so much". He didn't say no one should ever use any fuel and never fly for pleasure, just that a whole 767 for 2 people is too much. I'm inclined to agree, if that plane would normally seat 300 people, they're using 150 times the fuel I do when I fly. Using some fuel is fine, but an amount way, way in excess of what is needed is just greedy.

As for "So what if planes pollute the earth?", you should be able to find a book on basic ecology at your local library. Maybe while you're at it you can look up how many wars since the 70s were fought over oil.

> think b4 u speak.
Oh, the irony.

jh on September 11, 2005 9:14 AM
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Google became evil long ago - this shouldn't be a shocker.

Andrew on September 11, 2005 9:36 AM
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That's a pretty weird choice if they wanted to make the plane as their private jets. I thought they are going to something near Gulfstream...

And plus, $7000 is very cheap for a plane that size (that's if the fuel already accounted for)

Ozzie on September 11, 2005 10:08 AM
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So strip out tonnes of seating, overhead bins, passenger comforts, galley trolleys, tonnes of passengers, tonnes of passenger baggage.

Add maybe a bathroom, some comfortable seats, some entertainment, and 2 men.

I don't think it's going to burn through enough fuel to contribute to global warming any more than your car does on a morning ;)

Alex on September 11, 2005 12:15 PM
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Maybe they're using this huge plane to compensate for something smaller...

Sushigirl on September 11, 2005 4:03 PM
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The explanation from Larry and Sergey is that buying a used 767 is actually *much* cheaper than a new Gulfstream G5 and has some other advantages as well.

Someone who's heard... on September 11, 2005 5:45 PM
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The lightest and smallest 767 has a MTOW (maximum take off weight) of 300,000 lbs.
The military version of the Gulfstream V has a MTOW of 90,500 lbs.
Mind you, the Gulfstream V is an ultra long range business jet. There are lighter jets too.

Screw you guys. I hate SUVs but this is even worse.

MiG on September 12, 2005 5:01 AM
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Oh BTW hydrogen fuel is made from water you idiot, no oil involved, unless you are referring to a hydrogen "reformer" which removes the hydrogen from hydrocarbon fuels, and that just wouln't be efficient. So study up before you blast out something rash.

Dwayne on September 12, 2005 8:44 AM
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Whats this garbage about them selling out? They just want a little privacy, and the ability to go long distances on a 762!
Alex

Alex on September 12, 2005 10:05 AM
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HOWEVER! If you want a little privacy, book an entire suite of first class on Virgin Atlantic.
I too hate SUVs, thse guys are being selfish towards the environment, and no big headed "Who cares about the environment" SUV driver or jet owner can tell me otherwise
Alex

Alex on September 12, 2005 10:08 AM
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Dwayne: Where do you get the energy to electrolyze the water and generate hydrogen? Plants use sunlight, but we haven't figured out how to emulate mother nature and her efficiency in that regard. Given that the largest sources of electricity are coal, natural gas and petroleum-fired plants (~70% of total electricity generated in the US), the production of hydrogen fuel does indeed involve a lot of hydrocarbons. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/epm_sum.html

blah on September 12, 2005 10:34 AM
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"$7,000 an hour for its use"

That's a perk to his wage, which means this is the equivalent of a pay rise. Now we know how much they earn.

If I calcuate this correctly, all the people who bought Google shares will get $61 million less money than they expected in the coming year.

If he needs to communicate with different people how about instead of physically moving his persona, Google techs into videoconferencing? With all the dark fiber that should be a piece of cake.

p.s. Does Bill Gates have an own Jet?

Oskar Shapley on September 12, 2005 1:38 PM
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What nonsense; that $61 million figure quoted by Oskar above is ridiculous. $7K per hour is definitely very high, but it is not that far off from the first class tickets and a CEO's time is much more valuable, like any BoD will tell you. Name any large company in Silicon Valley (equal to or bigger than Google), and I can point to business jets that the company owns (or leases) at a comparable rate (Cisco, Sun, HP, Oracle, AMAT etc). Likewise for any other large non-tech company in the USA; Wall Street doesnt get bothered by such stuff unless you see abuse (e.g. Tyco)
Yes, Bill Gates owns a personal jet, in fact he owns multiple jets. And MS has other jets used by the likes of Ballmer as well.
The fact that the Google dudes have bought themselves a jet is in itself not surprising, anyone with enough money usually does so (what, do you expect them to live like students forever?). Mark Cuban (Broadcast.com) ordered a Gulfstream G-5 over the internet (Gulfstream had to setup a site for him to do so) as soon as the $$$ hit his bank account after selling his company to Yahoo for a few billion. I guess the reaction to the Google founders doing so is a combination of things:-
(1) Good old Envy
(2) Their holier-than-thou do-no-evil attitude so far, which was good while it lasted made them the object of scorn when finally they succumbed to temptation. Weren't they proudly showing off their hybrid Prius's a while ago?

Valley Grunt on September 12, 2005 3:10 PM
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What nonsense; that $61 million figure quoted by Oskar above is ridiculous. $7K per hour is definitely very high, but it is not that far off from the first class tickets and a CEO's time is much more valuable, like any BoD will tell you. Name any large company in Silicon Valley (equal to or bigger than Google), and I can point to business jets that the company owns (or leases) at a comparable rate (Cisco, Sun, HP, Oracle, AMAT etc). Likewise for any other large non-tech company in the USA; Wall Street doesnt get bothered by such stuff unless you see abuse (e.g. Tyco)
Yes, Bill Gates owns a personal jet, in fact he owns multiple jets. And MS has other jets used by the likes of Ballmer as well.
The fact that the Google dudes have bought themselves a jet is in itself not surprising, anyone with enough money usually does so (what, do you expect them to live like students forever?). Mark Cuban (Broadcast.com) ordered a Gulfstream G-5 over the internet (Gulfstream had to setup a site for him to do so) as soon as the $$$ hit his bank account after selling his company to Yahoo for a few billion. I guess the reaction to the Google founders doing so is a combination of things:-
(1) Good old Envy
(2) Their holier-than-thou do-no-evil attitude so far, which was good while it lasted made them the object of scorn when finally they succumbed to temptation. Weren't they proudly showing off their hybrid Prius's a while ago?

Valley Grunt on September 12, 2005 3:10 PM
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Huh, why would you need to overcompensate for anything with a jet when you own google?

Compare these two sentences:
I own google.
I own a fucking huge jet.

Now lets do:
I own google and a fucking huge jet.

After the part where it says "I own google..." people dont listen anymore... k?

Ralph on September 13, 2005 5:32 AM
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Knowing how Larry & Sergey handle office space at the Googleplex, they're probably going to cram 700 seats into that 767 and market it as the new wave in cattle class travel.

Google Sweatshop on September 13, 2005 5:55 AM
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> Right, except burning oil to generate hydrogen makes pretty
> much the same pollution as burning it in a car would,

Actually no. Producing hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles with the technology available today currently generates 25% more pollution than producing and burning regular gas. So much for "environmentally friendly".

But since FC and Zero Emission Vehicles are the hype, the pollution generated by producing the fuel isn't really talked about loud.

Indrek Siitan on September 13, 2005 12:06 PM
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I think it's more likely that the jet will be used for all G's employees. They have a lot of people working for them, and send a lot of people to various places. Given the savings in time hanging around at airports, and the reduced travel bill, I'd have thought that the move would be profit neutral at worst.

Plus they get to ride in their own fucking huge jet :)

TallTroll on September 14, 2005 2:58 AM
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Well, it's just like a limo for them. Instead of the seats they could arrange a jacuzzi inside, a bar, dancing, tennis court, ... who knows ?

Fred on September 14, 2005 9:03 AM
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The 767-300 registration N804MS is owned by BILL GATES

NESO on September 30, 2005 7:18 PM
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kubedawg:

you wrote: "they're using 150 times the fuel I do when I fly"

So... Mr. "ecologically correct" ... you have decided YOU spend the correct amount of fuel.

I'd say you are a polluter who is ruining Gaia. THE CORRECT amount of fuel is that spent by a hunther-gatherer in Botswana, a certain Mr. Ng Ung-Ung.

Ng Ung-Ung DOES NOT TRAVEL outside the valley he was born. He does not burn any petroleum, does not use any asphalt, and does not consume any Evian water bottled in PET and transported across the ocean.

In fact, Mr Ung-Ung does not burn approximately 125 Watts/hr of power using a PC, like you obviously do, you monster. True, Ng's life expectancy at birth is about 35 and he is unlikely to have any teeth if he ever reaches 50.

However, Mr Un-Ung is a GREAT steward of the Gaia he inherited from his forebears (except, of course, when he and his bloodthirsty buddies kill the cute cuddy lion cubs who feed on his goats).

YOU, on the other hand, consume about 10,000 times more oil on eccentricities such as A/C, heating, and Double-Moka Tall Capuccinos.

You, sir, are a monster, and GAIA weeps because you are killing her.

Please stop traveling. Stay in your valley. Stop burning oil. Save the planet.

Xavi on October 4, 2005 8:20 AM
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I want a jet too. lol

Free Funny Videos on October 13, 2005 9:42 PM
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They need a 767 just to haul around their 22 billion dollars.! Heck John Travolta has a 747.

blacksulpherkloud on November 1, 2005 9:01 AM
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The 767 is really a huge mistake. It can't land at small airports and they will have no flexibility. As to them owning the Prius, they are rich now and are insulated from things like global warming and inflationary pressures. "Let them eat cake" they say now as they are uber-rich and of uber-importance. It's human nature feel the need to act like a king and reign supreme when you have unlimited money. Then you have kids and literally overnight, every starving child in the world reminds you of your own. The jet becomes instantly less important and you become Bill Gates, saving the world in your own mind.

fribble on November 2, 2005 3:02 PM
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John Travolta owns a 707, NOT a 747. He also owns a Gulfstream business jet.

Roger D. Parish on November 4, 2005 2:55 AM
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Wow...Ladies and gentlemen relax!!. Let's not forget we are at war and this seems to be a minor headline considering the state of our union.

First of all, who knows what the configuration of the aircraft will be? With 50 first class seats, it makes sense both economically and enviromentally. Calculate the cost per seat mile. The plane is also cheap. There are quite a few parked in the desert right now and can be bought for approx 15 million, depending on engines and parts. That is a lot cheaper than a 10 seat G-5 which is at least twice the price.

For long haul, it is a great choice. No, it is not a "jumbo jet", but a wide-body or heavy jet. And John Travolta actually owns an ancient, gas guzzling Boeing 707. Now that 4 engine monster is a an enviromental nightmare.

At the end of the day, if they fly it with two passengers, then it is a waste. A small corporate jet would make more sense and be more responsible. If they fill it up with execs and fly coast to coast or to Europe, South America, etc., then it is a smart buy and fairly efficient to operate.

Now, where do I send my resume? I am a 767 pilot for a major airline and ready for a change. Seriously!! If you know, send me an email at jtt767@yahoo.com thanks

jt on November 5, 2005 5:14 PM
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It will hold 50 people once fitted out, and is apparently their personal plane, with no formal ties to Google.

JJ on November 10, 2005 5:15 PM
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Some thoughts on GoogleJet... why would Google buy a gigantic jet,
when they already have a Gulfstream?

Maybe it's not to be a passenger plane. How much space does a 767 have
in it, if you strip out all the extraneous stuff, like baggage, etc.?

Cringely points out a possible use of dark fiber for Google trailers:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051117.html

Could Google be creating a mobile data center under the guise of "my
corporate jet is bigger than yours"? It's the perfect decoy plan. Get
everyone talking about corporate largesse to quietly develop a mobile
data center. If a significant number of Google data centers were taken
out of commission by natural disaster, terrorism, etc., Google could
conceivably move and connect the mobile data center at a private
airfield capable of handling both the jet and the connections needed
to put it online. It would by no means be a small project - but if
you're talking about the continuity of the company, the expense is
worth it.

Sounds wacky, but then, so did an MP3 player from Apple a few years ago...

Christopher Penn, FinancialAidPodcast.com on November 21, 2005 6:57 AM
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Does the plane matter that much? I mean i would rather look at them than look a 767.

liquidice on November 22, 2005 12:48 AM
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I think you created a beautiful site, which is really interesting as well. I enjoy visiting it every week. Thank you!

Jacaline on December 12, 2005 11:14 AM
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I agree with your point but I would love to hear more opinions about that!

Bernadine on December 21, 2005 6:22 AM
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Who cares? They are smart hard workin dudes and while you guys sit here debating whether its OK for them to own one of many airliner size jets that will honestly do very little to dent the environment or fuel (how many private entities own a 767?) they are out there making money. To them its a tool, like you take the car or subway to work.

If you were as clever as they are you might be out there commuting to work in a 767 too. But you might be too busy to appreciate it

FYU on January 1, 2006 11:53 PM
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Great, continue like that!

Rosemary on January 4, 2006 5:46 AM
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What people are not mentioning/realizing is the reason you get a jet that big, is because it takes one that big to travel without constraints.

Business jets are not big enough to

A) load cars in to it ** the real reason for it
or
B) live out of it if you so desire

It takes a plane that size to be able to do it

Vandre on January 6, 2006 11:20 AM
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theyve said that theyre going to use it to fly people to africa as part of their google.org charitable work as well as for private use. I agree with Ralph - if you can buy a 767, you dont need it to compensate for anything

flexo on January 18, 2006 12:09 AM
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Hi. any fresh news on the Google guys?

Naz on January 20, 2006 12:24 AM
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Hmmmm, Makes you wonder why the companies stock is taking a nosedive.

clayco on February 23, 2006 12:58 PM
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All of you are idiots who can
t read... they're not being charged 7k an hour for use, they're being reimbursed. In other words, the Google corporation is paying them for using the jet, ensuring that it doesn't sit idly. If they actively use it for business, they'll pay off the jet in no time.

Dale on April 23, 2006 9:50 AM
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I can't believe all this non-sense...Non of you people know what the heck you are talking about. This aircraft is owned and has been owend by the Venetian Hotel for the last 2 years. N804MS will seat 53 people only. You can see it parked at KLAS quite alot because that is where it is based. The plane is only used by the owners of the Venetian. The plane does not fly guest of the Hotel. It only flies the owners and personal guest of the owners.
I suggest before talking about something, get your facts straight!
Ex Venetian employee

J on June 3, 2006 6:44 PM
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i am planning to buy a one more new jet i am planning for boeing 320
i already have 2 318 jets

gurveer on June 4, 2006 5:49 AM
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it's G00GLEforceOne

Chris on June 4, 2006 10:32 AM
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Who cares? They are smart hard workin dudes and while you guys sit here debating whether its OK for them to own one of many airliner size jets that will honestly do very little to dent the environment or fuel (how many private entities own a 767?) they are out there making money. To them its a tool, like you take the car or subway to work.

德语翻译 on July 20, 2006 6:56 PM
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