Cisco execs try to put best face on 6,000 layoffs

How does a company attempt to soothe angst and bitter feelings when it announces thousands of its workers are getting the ax?

Here’s a bit of insight courtesy of blogger Brad Reese, who got hold of a Cisco Systems internal memo about its recent announcement that 6,000 employees – roughly 8 percent of the company – are being laid off.

The memo provides links to two recordings of comments by CEO John Chambers and other Cisco executives made to their workers about what the layoffs mean and how Cisco is attempting to reorganize itself to become the world’s top information-technology company.

A few cheerleading snippets from Chambers:

“It’s about investing in our growth and moving fast…. We have a chance to lead the entire IT industry… In markets if you don’t move now, you get left behind.”

Chambers also provided a bit more clarity about the layoffs. Although the company previously was vague about how many people would be hired to replace those laid off, he said it has told analysts that “our headcount would not go down.”

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  • tufluv

    Good thing business execs and lobbyists are working diligently with obama to promote AMNESTY. There just aren’t enough willing, trained and unemployed Americans to fill all of the job openings, especially after layoffs like Cisco.

    • john smith

      hey best read who veto the bill to penalize corporations for moving overseas to avoid taxes and it was not the democrats. Funny you never blame the republican who want this free enterprise system which means government pays the corproation and allows exactly what you wrote.

    • alrui

      And dont forget the 18,000 Microsoft just layed off!

  • WDE

    so these jobs in will go to visa workers……….

    • Vidya

      no the jobs will go overseas -> china or India… if the jobs go to visa worker then at least the money would stay in the American economy … these guys would at least be living here buying the usual milk and biscuits …. but then if the jobs move out there would be no gain at all.

  • gatorhombre

    Of course like Chambers quoted ” “our headcount would not go down.” Why should it. Just like every other lay off before this for the last 5 years. It’s all about cutting cost. Its a lot cheaper to lay off talented experienced engineers here in the US and replace their jobs overseas with underpaid engineers in “low cost” areas. And any re-hiring here in the US with H-1B’s for dirt cheap money because ” there just isn’t enough local talent”here in the US to fill jobs. ” …. What a joke. When is the board going to finally wake up and get off the easy money stock grants they award themselves and bring back the Cisco that was “Made in America” by Americans!

    • TylerDurden0xb

      In a VERY strange coincidence, Cisco is RIF’ing all of these people just in time to capitalize on Obama’s expanded H1B program.

  • guitune

    “Best face”? More like “hypocritical face” to me. Those corporate executives make millions a year while cutting local jobs and outsourcing thousands of jobs to India each year. Meanwhile, they lobby for Congress to approve more work permits for foreign workers. Look around you.

  • marc johson

    Cisco Has SVP that show pictures on their vacations on all hands meetings! Not the same Cisco, thanks Gary Moore for the great moral Boost!

    • theFengineer

      You should have seen the extravagant video Wim Elfrink had made of his disgustingly opulent home in zindia when he was tryingbto recruit Cisco folks to work for him there. The management at Cisco is out to lunch. Cisco has no clue how to write software and even less clue of how to spell “IT”. The Advanced Services folks only have value when they appky their talents to Cisco gear, gear which is losing its value day to day because of Visco’s lack of direction in SDN and other key initiatives in the industry today. Cisco will have a really hard time pkaying catchup this time around. They have missed the boat. The stock has been stagnant since 2001. How can ANYONE have any sort of positive outlook for this company withits current management??

  • urnotdave

    I think the real job loss needs to be at the CEO level, I worked at CSCO until 2011 when I took their early retirements, after 14 years there and around 30k in ESPP stock I finally came to the realization that until Chambers leaves, the company will do nothing, it has done nothing in growth since 2001 and many of the comments are correct about the job losses in the US are the gains for the Asian markets. I seen it personally as I worked for Cisco in Asia for many years. Now there is more to it that I am saying here, but really CEO needs to leave, laid off or fired!

    • Guest

      Yes. I completely agree. I have worked too. Charlie Giancarlo was a great leader and true Cisco style, John made him move on. Had it been to Charlie, Cisco would have done better and good. As long as the CEO is at helm @ Chambers, Cisco, will need to see these. Cisco India @ IT is a one man show guys.

      • urnotdave

        Charlie is a good guy, early on I worked in Engineering and than I moved onto Advanced Services. Cisco is a great company, but the leader of Cisco has lost his shine — look at many of the acquisition that he lead — a DVD company, a Camera company and that is just two of the worse one’s so much wasted time and money and ALL under Chamber’s watch. I can name billions of dollars just dropped on companies that Cisco ended up dropping. So time to drop the real money waster!! The CEO! He is set for life himself, all he has left is EGO, time to let that go now!

      • theFengineer

        Yes, I was really bummed out when Charlie got the boot. Chambers has done a lot of stupid things but booting Charlie was the worst. I’m a Cisco vet of 17 years and new Charlie fairly well. Charlie’s in a better place…out from under that loser Chambers.

  • j_reader

    What about the tons of H1B workers?

    • urnotdave

      it depends, Cisco started weeding the higher priced ones out through layoffs, but if you are newer and lower on the pole, they would keep you.

    • Shop Girl

      We’re not here illegally and can only work if the position is open and can’t be filled for at least a year. Please don’t think that everything you hear is the Gospel. It is very difficult to get an H1B visa and it is a long, long process. It is not cheap for the companies’ or the visa holders. the law says that there must be a minimum wage paid to us as well so please don’t think that we are working for pennies on the dollar. The starting wage is around 127 K per year.

      • Johnny

        127 K as starting wage is high for ANY job. Also it is a known fact that the largest “SEA” of contractors exists in cisco.

        • Shop Girl

          It is shameful what Cisco does with contracts and lay offs but don’t blame h1bs we are engineers just like you it is not our faults. Its the fault of management and chambers.

        • Shop Girl

          127 k is not high . maybe 10 years ago

      • Wes

        You’re not making any sense H4 you’re not even working and you talk like you are. It’s people like you H1B, that mess up the IT systems in this country. I saw it firsthand when you’re at home cooking.

        • Shop Girl

          As a Canadian, I can hold a TN visa here under NAFTA, as well as an H4, which actually gives me more flexibility than my husband who worked at Cisco. I am fortunate enough that I am highly educated and my Profession is on the list of acceptable professions by USCIS TN Visa List of Professions which does allow me to work. I can assure you, I am not home “cooking” I am very much a valuable member of the community and I attend law school. Paid for in Cash by our ( Low wage) 😉 😉

          • j_reader

            So you are a Visa/H1B “guest” worker who comes here acting like you own the place. We American workers just don’t like you, go back to Canada, you were not supposed to be looking for jobs in the US, as Canada is supposedly not in a big recession like the US, you should have your jobs there. What’s your intention, really? I met your husband at Cisco and he didn’t do that much, over-rated and overpaid, for what he thought he could contribute. You guys are frauds!!

          • Guest

            Well first of all my family was stationed in Montana as part of NORAD and a last minute emergency required my dad to go to the DEW line and my mom was pregnant with me and she moved to Edmonton. So I am Canadian, but with me there is a bit of a dual country history. I have a proven track record as a hardware design engineer getting products through regulatory approvals by Rev B and have been consistent with this for well over the last decade. I was quite instrumental in my employment at USR in Chicago, and my 2 layer layout which I personally did in 1999 is still being sold and can be seen here: http://www.usr.com/en/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr5610c/. At Cisco I continued this experience optimizing cost versus radiation hardening and emissions control. All of my products successfully passed approvals, the only drawback was how long I needed to take, each problem was different. I am not sure how you would think of me as a fraud, I can take you on theoretically or with practical design experience any day. I pay alot of taxes to be considered a “guest worker”. How many times have I heard of older engineers having bad eyesight and cannot solder at Cisco in the lab??? How many engineers and managers can you think of who you can put in alone, in a lab, with a hardware problem, who you would have full confidence that they will somehow fix the problem, even if it is out of their comfort zone, and get the product finished??? segment??? Things have changed, either you adapt, or you complain and blame your problems on a H1B. Which from my personal experience is a really difficult visa to get. Also very difficult to find another job in a happy company, it was my #1 drawback from searching for employment. I think Cisco only gets 400 or so H1B’s on even their best year.

            What is my intention??? Who the hell do you think you are???

          • j_reader

            Who the hell do “YOU” think you are????
            – this is someone wayyyyyyyyy better than you, suppose you country folks hadn’t seen anything and think too much of yourselves.

            Getting H1B is not an “achievement”, please. Lottery winning is hard to get too, doesn’t mean you did anything.

            Your ‘arguments’ just now showed that you had no sense, too into yourself, and should just get the f*** out of the country already before you start stereotyping ALL US workers.

          • j_reader

            You are poison to our society.

          • proH1B

            Well, first of all my family was stationed in Montana as part of NORAD and a last minute emergency required my dad to go to the DEW line and my mom was pregnant with me and she moved to Edmonton. So I am Canadian, but with me there is a bit of a dual country history. I have a proven track record as a hardware design engineer getting products through regulatory approvals by Rev B and have been consistent with this for well over the last decade. I was quite instrumental in my employment at USR in Chicago, and my 2 layer layout which I personally did in 1999 is still being sold and can be seen here: http://www.usr.com/en/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr5610c/. At Cisco I continued this experience optimizing cost versus radiation hardening and emissions control. All of my products successfully passed approvals, the only drawback was how long I needed to take, each problem was different. I am not sure how you would think of me as a fraud, I can take you on theoretically or with practical design experience any day. I pay alot of taxes to be considered a “guest worker”. How many times have I heard of older engineers having bad eyesight and cannot solder at Cisco in the lab??? How many engineers and managers can you think of who you can put in alone, in a lab, with a hardware problem, who you would have full confidence that they will somehow fix the problem, even if it is out of their comfort zone, and get the product finished??? Things have changed, either you adapt, or you complain and blame your problems on a H1B. Which from my personal experience is a really difficult visa to get. Also very difficult to find another job in a happy company, it was my #1 drawback from searching for employment. I think Cisco only gets 400 or so H1B’s on even their best year. What is my intention??? Who the hell do you think you are???

          • j_reader

            Gave you an opportunity, guess that, you started looking down on Americans. Guess what??? WE FELT SORRY FOR U, DIDN:T HAVE ANYTHING AT HOME!!! POOR BASTARDS, BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!

          • proH1B

            Just stop. My dad was Air Force, I was a military brat learning computer programming as a kid from Americans from Sunnyvale who were stationed in US Space Command in the NORAD base in Canada where my dad worked. My dad bagpiped for US generals in public functions in the US. I don’t have anything against Americans. I grew up flying model airplanes in the military clubs in the bases in Canada with Americans, they were joint bases, US and Canada.

            I do have a problem with losers though. Perhaps this round of layoffs will strike where it needs to, at long last!

          • j_reader

            For an H1B, you sure have a lot of gripe against American workers. So we can’t attack you, but you can attack American workers at your will? So one wonders why the company is bleeding, just because top managements can’s always see every worker upclose. They should cut the H1Bs first, and then things will be better believe it or not.

          • proH1B

            The company is bleeding because export sales have went down 15% in the BRIC countries. Are you dumb??? I am not attacking Americans, I am attacking you.

          • j_reader

            No that’s not what I meant, the company is bleeding because of ones like you. Before you call someone ‘dumb’, please be aware that I am much better educated than you, and I am an American. Can you logically deduce what that means?

            Good luck because you are actually not considered employable anywhere.

          • proH1B

            I am employed right now!!! Just not at Cisco!!!

          • j_reader

            Seriously??? So you got laid off??

          • proH1B

            I quit and got another job elsewhere.

          • j_reader

            Well whomever that got you, (my condolences), sometimes people don’t know they’d had gotten sick until the terminal stage.

          • proH1B

            Lets see where you end up fool!!! My employer seems quite happy!!!

          • j_reader

            Like I said ‘some don’t know they’d gotten sick until the terminal stage’, do you have comprehension problem too? Or are you just a fool??? Go back to your country already, GEEZ!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A PIECE OF TRASH!!!!!!!!!!

          • proH1B

            Somebody is about to be laid off….awww….too bad….TJ and all… Bye bye…

          • j_reader

            Wrong again. And please get out of this country!!!

          • proH1B

            My wife is getting a law degree. I am gainfully employed. There are bigger immigration issues to chase for your aggressive tendencies to overreact for your shortcomings. Good luck!!!

          • j_reader

            Yes go back to school, you have much to learn. This is an open comment section on the article, I can tell you/others that the H1Bs and visa workers (like you) are not very good, and your responses have proven that. I definitely don’t have the kind of shortcomings that you’re imagining in your head, and you should just get out of the country since you’re so stupid.

          • proH1B

            Please tell me your credentials. Mine are here: http://www.usr.com/en/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr5610c/. Under images. 10,000 units a day. My layout.

          • j_reader

            So they get H1Bs to work on out-dated technologies, and these H1Bs start thinking they rule the world.. LOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Hey, American workers don’t need this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • proH1B

            I did that layout in 1999!!! The fact that it is still selling well, essentially unchanged from when our group in the company did this project, for me is something to be proud of. What have you done???

          • j_reader

            Like I said, you H1Bs make 50K a year and you think you rule the world, try to insult American workers at your will, making dumb comments regardless of whom it is??!!

            You’re telling me you’d done something?? LMAOF!!!! What have you done lately???? Some things can not be told, or I’ll have to kill you. GET IT?????

            Hey go home already!!!!!! What a prime example of a f***ing idiotic good-for-nothing H1B!!!!!

          • Vidya

            basically what he has done is this ….

            at high school argued with the math teacher because the math teacher was trying to explain that simple quadratic equation and he just couldn’t get it.

            then he dropped out of school and worked at mcdonalds for a few years and got fired because the manager got so sick and tired of explaining the hygiene part of the business to him.

            then he decided to go back to college – these fake online colleges and did some IT training and was trained in basic crimping and rj45 network layout.. then had to be fired because those basic tasks had become outdated because of wireless technology… now he sits at home drinking beer, arguing with his wife and collecting disability…

            he considers himself to be an IT expert … because he can google stuff and solve some issues…. has bad breath — rarely brushes his teeth… (uses foul language) and keeps searching for a fight …. argument … drinks a lot and considers himself entitled to everything because … he is American….

            what he does not know is that …. by using his standards then … the red Indians should all be presidents of this land. :) my two cents.

          • Vidya

            yes, YOU ARE AMERICAN – so you are smart… entitled …. interesting deduction

          • Deb Norem

            You’re H1B so you are online ripping on Americans unless we give you all of our jobs yet ‘NOT’ entitled???? Wow, AND you had the guts to point out my deduction???

          • Vidya

            don’t worry about my guts. focus on your job. work hard, and don’t just keep counting hours and entitlements from your company or your company may have to outsource your job to India to increase productivity… good luck debby. with a small d… I am not your Indian coworker whom you can brow down with your ” how dare you sss” you can fold it then wrap it and then keep it down there… where it is supposed to be .. your unwanted highly inflated EGO… with all caps…

          • Deb Norem

            Sounds like another entitled H1B, that’s all I wanted to point out, if that’s not obvious already. Next time before you open your mouth know what you’re talking about, but stupidity is just typical of H1B isn’t it????????

          • Vidya

            Yeah deb – by. guess so. Then by your standards – the native American Indian should be the president of USA and no one else.

            logic, reason, hard-work, perseverance, consistence and dedication towards your job has become stupidity for people like you, it is people like you who make me think twice before I apply for citizenship.

            Guess what I am not H1b anymore, not yet a citizen. But then I wonder, if I become a citizen here then perhaps I might start behaving like you, take everything for granted. “kick the h1b out” attitude instead of realizing the fact that I need to improve myself acquire skills that matter add value to the job and myself. Have an inflated ego. consider might to be right. keep yelling loud because I have a mouth attitude.

            Sorry deb – you may assume me to be stupid, but then Nero assumed everything to be ok and played the fiddle while Rome burnt..
            The truth …. ? … you know and so do I. good day ..

          • Deb Norem

            But logic, reason, hard-work, perseverance, consistence and dedication … you have none. It was the hard work of Americans that even created the industry that you are working in so keep jabbing on Americans, you stupid.

          • Deb Norem

            Stupid H1B that is.

          • Vidya

            You are correct. I am stupid, I am ignorant. I agree… hope i won’t be getting any notifications regarding this discussion with you in my inbox.

            In the Asian cultures there is a proverb that summarizes into something like this…

            ” there is no point in playing the violin for the water buffalo”

          • Deb Norem

            Forget about violin or the buffalo, this is about H1B needing to get out of this country. As long as you get the message.

          • Vidya

            There is another proverb in Indian cultures…

            Idiots are to be ignored

            hence ignored. bye

          • Deb Norem

            Oooohhhh… and Indians can never be wrong!!! of course, LOL!!!!!

          • Vidya

            Id – Ig

          • Deb Norem

            %$^%#@ OFF!!!!

          • Vidya

            i – i

          • Deb Norem

            the usual ‘communication problem’ of H1B. LOL!!!!!

          • Vidya

            i-i

          • Deb Norem

            Say what you mean, please!!!!

          • Vidya

            i-

          • Deb Norem

            sounds like an idiot.

          • Deb Norem

            Oooohhhh… and Indians can never be wrong!!! of course, LOL!!!!!

          • j_reader

            Oh, and go back to school too, you have much to learn apparently!!

          • Shop Girl

            We learned how not to get laid off from Cisco. What was it 4 lay off cycles or five. Every time they did lay offs my husband got a raise so I could continue to remain shop girl.

          • j_reader

            It’s not anything you did, they felt sorry for you, because you have nothing at your home country, that’s all. The place is pretty screwed up, the screwed up people will keep feeding it. I shop with my own money and I buy others things with my money too, on top of paying taxes, so not sure how you feel being a dog following a guy around for junk at the expense of good Americans.

          • j_reader

            Hey doggie, just because you sit around in your small little world, doesn’t mean the world is not bigger than that. Take a step outside, and you’ll know it’s bigger than that. So take your screwed up values, which influences your screwed up husband, to together screw up some place in Cisco, and shove it out of the country already.

  • http://PhotographyToday.net/ Mike Elek

    I really dislike cowardly CEOs who think that they only way to innovate is to cut jobs.

    Only a moron uses job cuts to boost the bottom line. A real CEO learns how to innovate without destroying the morale of the workforce

    He should first try some cuts to executive salaries and compensation, cutting executive perks, cutting travel costs and maybe reducing the amount wasted on executive offices.

  • Shop Girl

    As an H4 I find this “racism” against us to be offensive. We are here because the Americans are not capable and don’t have the skills to complete the tasks at hand. We are vetted by the USCIS to ensure that we have the educational background and the ability to do the job. We pay a HUGE amount of taxes per annum, as such we deserve some respect. Its not easy for families to leave their home countries and have Americans bash us. All the H’4s get out of the deal is shopping and weather forget the fact that I’m highly educated. Thanks Cisco but no thanks!

    • john smith

      First you are here because you will work for a cheaper wage. Do you understand for every individual such as yourself there are ten americans with higher or equal education and the skills to do your job.

      • Shop Girl

        Canada’s education system far surpasses the bastardized version of education that America offers. I can assure you, our universities are based on the British Model, the original institutions of higher learning. We also don’t work as cheap as you might think. Last year we paid over 55 K in taxes. (federally) not including state. My husband worked with people who were not even able to solder.

        • Johnny

          Then why are you here if you are blaming the US education system. Your children are probably going to private schools here in US i guess.

          • Shop Girl

            17 k per year in private school tuition for two kids.

        • rightislight

          Shop Girl. First I agree that H1B workers shouldn’t be bashed. That’s unfair. But… two things.
          First you boast about Canadian education when all data points to the U.S. having the best post education system in the world. That’s why we see so many foreign students. I think you’re wrong on this point. Maybe you’re only considering K-12?
          Second, if you are from Canada (seems as though) I think most Americans look as you as, well, an American (North American anyway). It’s not more a “big move” for you to live in work in the U.s. than it is for someone from, say, Pennsylvannia moving their family to Silicon Valley. It’s not like you came from Taiwan or India…that’s a huge move.

          • Shop Girl

            Yes k-12 . But what I’m responding to is the fact that some people on this post are claiming that if we are not from America our university education is inferior to that of Americans. This is not the case because in order for an H1B worker to work in the US, the degree they hold, must be equal to that of the American degree. It is not dis similar as you would think comparing Canadians to people from India. Geographically Canada is closer than India but here’s the deal.
            1) we must go through the same process as someone from India or China.
            2) Uur credit score from Canada is not recognized by the American Credit scoring system in the same way that someone from India does not have an established credit history here. This means that we do not immediately have access to the financial tools that an American enjoys, even though we are North American. We have to pay higher interest rates etc.
            3) If you or someone you know gets laid off, you are able to move from Pennsylvannia to Silicon Valley with ease and not worry about any paperwork just the ability to move and a job offer is all you need. Whereas Canadian’s and other H1B’s must leave the country within 10 days If no other employment is secured. This concept could leave some families homeless and jobless without a net.
            If Laid off we would not be entitled to employment insurance in either country, America because we have to leave with (10) days as mentioned and Not in Canada because you have not worked the required hours in the past couple years.
            4) Americans have the ability to seek out 2 incomes where H1B worker spouses are required to stay home unless their profession is on the list of acceptable professions.
            in the case of women being the H4 spouse we are forced to give up our careers. It causes tension in family life for a lot of these women.
            The only difference between an H1B from India and Canada is the colour of our skins.
            The culture here is different enough from Canada that we do notice the differences.

          • rightislight

            Clearly they haven’t coached you on how to be succinct. 😉

          • Vidya

            Foreign students are here because they are misled into believing that once their education is over and they get a job here they would be absorbed by the American society. first h1b then green card then citizenship.. .that is why they come here. when the come here they pay exorbitant tuition fees almost double what an American pays.. This money then goes into the various research facilities of the universities which then leads to technological innovation… because for this research to continue you need the funds and these funds are provided in part by the foreign students.

            These funds can only continue flowing in if the propaganda continues that they would all get jobs and h1b and green card and citizenship. in fact the rest of the world do land up getting green cards .. it is only the Indians and Chinese who are discriminated against because the green card system is country wise quota.now one may ask why,…. this is because of fear that the Indian’s Chinese may elect their own senators or congressmen – so better to keep blocking them… from becoming citizens … these rules are cold war era rules… and there has been no change what soever. and these are the discriminatory rules which need to change…. the green card allocation should be first come first served basis and not on quota…

          • proH1B

            I think that an option should exist where an employer can just purchase an H1B visa for a set price, as well as the first come first served until the cap is reached that it currently is. A high price, perhaps $20-$30K, but this would separate some of the more legitimate H1B applications from the others. The first come first serve approach until you reach a cap just makes the system go a different direction. Infosys and Tata consulting used up 28,000 H1B visas in 2014. This is out of a cap of 65,000 visas. They are more aggressive at getting these visas, so they put their bids in early and essentially claim 50% of them for themselves. I am not sure that was the real intent of the visas here, and making a fixed price option I think would make things more fair.

            From what I saw, getting your green card at Cisco takes 7-10 years, no matter what country you came from. I am Canadian, and I know another Canadian, and he took 10 years to get his green card there. I gave up after 4 years.

          • Vidya

            but it is still h1b

        • H1BSucks

          then go there, and get out of here moderchod, since you don’t appreciate what we have in America, we don’t need you here. Wow!! a whole $55K in taxes, you must be so proud

    • Tom K

      You are just full of it. American engineers will kick your A$$ any day. You work cheap – that is why you are here.

    • TylerDurden0xb

      You’re out of your mind if you think there’s a shortage of STEM workers in the US. This BS lie is perpetuated by the Silicon Valley companies that want H1B endentured servants that will work for cheaper wages.

    • guest

      You indians are useless and cheap and can’t compare to US educated engineers. You’re always infighting, argumentative and difficult to work with and most of you stink to the high heavens and no one wants to work with any of you, but we politely tolerate. Your country is a shit-hole where they rape and torture women.

    • dvs

      do you able to find any single company without h1b worker in whole US ? NO. Most of companies have indian born green card or h1b employees then any thing else. if indians are useless then take them out from whole knowledge industry and see actual number. In some cases, we are getting more salary on h1b then anyother, what does it mean ? Protect ism push you in current situation.

    • H1BSucks

      if you don’t like it, THEN GO BACK HOME – IT’S NOT YOUR COUNTRY. Go pay taxes in YOUR country, go be a genius in YOUR country. You knew the deal when you came here, and when citizens want you gone – the people who this country belongs to, NOT H1B/H4 job robbers – then you go home, despite what you were told back in India. Get the F out, we’re not interested in your sense of entitlement

      • Vidya

        I can understand your anger, and frustration but then your venting of it is misguided.

        let me explain … my wife is a physician and she works at a hospital in one of the most isolated and picturesque places in North Carolina. before she came here on an h1b that particular physician’s position was vacant for 4 years and there was only a physician who would come to that nursing home for one hour a week and he was being paid twice what my wife is being paid right now.

        you may argue that my wife has taken away this physician’s job but then I might argue that my wife has made the healthcare for this particular facility affordable or it would have shut down and taken away around 10 jobs… some nurses some receptionists etc… now you tell me. she might have also save innumerable lives because the nearest healthcare facility is around 40 minutes drive from here.

        you ask us to go back out of anger but then there are so many who kiss my wife out of love. should i hear your voice over so many who love us.

        you say “you knew the deal when you came here” – NO I was misrepresented. when my wife did her medical studies here after investing around 120,000 USD and 7 years of her life she was made to believe that she would be becoming a citizen of this great nation in six months time. (I say six months because that is the average time that any one except indian and chinese takes to get their green card) now it is more than 10 years we have been waiting patiently for that green card and in this 10 years we have repaid our student loan and also the interest and around 100,000 in taxes to the IRS. After investing 17 years of my life and in innumerable American friends and Families I would love to ask them this question and hear their voices too…

        I would again say NO – I did not know the deal because USA keeps bragging to the world that it is the fairest, the most equitable, the most opportunity filled nation, the most equitable one. I emphasize equitable because it so advertises to attract the brightest and the most brilliant brains to its economy… I would like to take this opportunity to announce to this world that these are all LIES. LIES of propaganda to strip the rest of the world of the most brilliant people so that all technological advances can happen in the USA.

        LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT USA IS NOT THE LAND OF EQUABILITY BUT IT IS THE LAND OF DISCRIMINATION. you would be discriminated if you were born in India or China and please help me in announcing this to the world so that everyone would know before they venture to USA to study in an American university that After spending $120,000 and 7 years there would be no future for them in the USA. So let the universities of USA stay vacant without the seats being filled and we shall see how innovation comes when the funds of universities are empty without the flow of foreign students.

        the fallacy of your argument arises from the ignorance of the brilliance of software development… Software development or technological progress is 1% brilliance 2% excellence and 97% hard work. I agree that most of the American (MOST) engineers have brilliance and excellence but when it comes to solid hard work they just buckle.

        software development is conception of an idea … then design of that idea then coding and debugging and maintenance. If everyone thought themselves to be steve jobs then there would only be conceptions of ideas – there would be no design, coding and QA and all products would die at conception itself. The problem with American engineers is that there so so few of them that everyone thinks themselves to be the next steve jobs and no one wants to put in the hard back breaking work involved. And the beauty of an Indian engineer is that there are so many of them that they don’t consider themselves very important and would not mind doing any amount of hard work. That i repeat is the beauty .. that beauty does not include entitlement. you put 10 American engineers and 10 indian Engineers… you may find high levels of excellence and brilliance among the American engineers but when it comes to hard work they would not budge if they lack interest … that my friends is the sense of entitlement… but an Indian engineer would do the task even if it is of no interest to him/her because for him/her a task it a task that is it.

        YOU WANT US TO GO HOME – yes I will go home but before that I will take my IRA around 1.25 million out. I never invested in a house because I had a hunch about this situation – I always postponed buying a house to when I get my green card, same with a car – will sell my old toyota. and empty my 300,000 bank account and then of course always thought of bringing back the money (3 million) I had saved in India to a time when I would get the green card to start a small IT maintenance company here then … dreams would be dreams …. I would miss this North Carolina Hills … but then there is ooty or may be himachal pradesh… who knows where fortune may take me… at least i wont be among RACIST and MEAN B’s I mean boys… :)

  • Steve

    Since 2011 Cisco has repurchased $21.9 billion in stock, and fired 21,000 people.

    That’s all anyone needs to know, and speaks volumes.

  • Johnny

    There is a lot going on there. There are folks who were here contracting and then decided to move back to India and still getting paid in USD for working out of India.
    There are vendors doing this – it seems like a win-win for the vendor – take a larger cut ( not the usual 10$ / hour ) from the contractors paycheck and the contractor is also happy sitting in India making money in USD and spending in Indian currency.
    Also rumor has it that some of these vendors have a deal with the project managers.

  • dmbltrd

    But Obama’s economy is the best ever in this nation’s history, just ask any Obama bootlicker!

  • Bramm

    Why are some of you outraged by a corporation cutting jobs versus “doing the right thing” from a moral perspective? Economics always wins these arguments in the long term. The real question is what can we do about it as employees? if you think it’s a problem now, watch what’s coming, it’s worth watching- there’s a youtube ad first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXpDA1fS4M#action=share

  • juandotcom

    This won’t change the business. They’re just moving over to an outsourced/ contract labor force model. Why would the U.S. Govt stop them when we do the same thing now?

  • periyar soothandi

    Periyar Soothandi and Kalaignar Poolandi formed anti-Brahmin movement in Tamilnadu in 1958, and since then 2 million tamil Brahmins have arrived in USA and formed companies in silicon valley

  • H1BSucks

    time to end H1b, and time for all of the H1B job robbers to head back home to india. Work your magic in your own country, you’ve worn out your welcome in America job robbers

    • crime_master_gogo

      Time to change the reserve currency of the world.. Time for H1B talent to earn what his skills deserve.

    • Vidya

      it is grim and unfortunate that it has come to this.

      let me quote jack welsh to you.

      “Ideally, you’d have every plant you own on a barge, to move with currencies and changes in economies.”

      what he intended to say was that with every wage rate increase he would have loved to move his factory – plant to a newer country or a newer economy where the wage rate was low.

      many things happen because of h1b but not this… i will call you on this one because this argument is incorrect.

  • swoosie

    This discussion is a symptom of a much greater issue that has little to do with H1B visas. The real issue is the expectations for the American Dream and how it is much more difficult to achieve the dream, regardless of how hard one works these days. It’s becoming clear that the young, well-educated might have a shot at achieving it, but more likely, they will struggle even with the college degrees, the youth culture bias, and time ahead of them. The older workers, who with years of experience, struggle because they have less to fall back on, due to a devastating decade and a half of debt, unemployment, and economic collapse and they now face ageism in the work world that continues to blight their chances for retirement, so they continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel jobs that used to be for the new interns and the young and dream about how to make ends meet in retirement, which they are taking later and later. Things are just not good as we fall behind in our new world, while craving and dreaming about the way it used to be.

 
 
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