Mozilla in Twitter-storm over new CEO’s support of California’s anti-gay marriage measure

This week, the Mozilla Foundation, advocates of the “open web” and makers of the Firefox browser, found itself in hot water over the appointment of its CEO.

After the foundation announced the internal promotion of Brendan Eich as chief executive, the issue of Eich’s $1,000 donation to Prop. 8, the 2008 anti-gay marriage initiative, was resurrected. As the Los Angeles Times reported, the donation became an issue in 2012 but Eich and Mozilla, which is based in Mountain View, weathered the Twitter-storm over the donation.

Now, it’s a little harder with Eich, the creator of JavaScript, in the top job. Some Mozilla employees and developer groups have called for his resignation, as Ars Technica reported.

Eich, who has been the organization’s chief technology officer since 2005, acknowledged people’s concerns about his commitment to equality. On his personal blog, he spelled out the organization’s goals to be inclusive, asking for time to prove himself:

I know some will be skeptical about this, and that words alone will not change anything. I can only ask for your support to have the time to “show, not tell”; and in the meantime express my sorrow at having caused pain.

Eich has not offered an explanation for why he made the donation to the initiative, which passed but was later struck down. Nor has he mentioned whether his point of view has changed, as Owen Thomas, the editor-in-chief of ReadWrite pointed out in tweets.  Thomas wrote: “What I want to hear from @BrendanEich: ‘I was wrong. I no longer believe the hateful and irrational things that led me to support Prop 8.’ ”

Perhaps Mozilla and Eich hope everything will blow over like it did two years ago. But that may not be the right strategy. As Matt Andrews of The Guardian writes, we are in a new era where the tech industry is wielding more power than ever and its leaders are pushing on policy fronts:

A CEO’s political views and opinions shape that organisation’s future: Mark Zuckerberg’s burgeoning interest in US immigration law comes from a desire to widen the net Facebook casts in hiring talented people from around the globe. While it’s unlikely that Eich would suddenly introduce anti-gay attitudes to Mozilla’s company manifesto, likewise it feels counterintuitive to the organisation’s aims to let such things go unchecked.

Inside Mozilla, there are a lot of difficult discussions happening, writes Matt Thompson, Mozilla’s director of community engagement and chief storyteller:

Mozilla needs your love and help right now. More than just a debate about our CEO, this threatens to divide us in other ways if we let it.
 

Above: Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich. (Photo by Darcy Padilla/Mozilla).

 

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  • InconvenientTruthsYouHate

    Summary:
    “Waaaahhhhh! He has a different opinion than me on social issues that are completely unrelated to business operations, and in my opinion that makes him unfit for this job or any other!!! Let’s blackball the motherhonker from the valley so he never works again!!! Waaaaahhhhh!”
    /typical

    • Ricky

      I am sure that if that day ever comes when someone works to TAKE AWAY a fundamental right granted to you by the COURTS – when someone works to nullify all marriages of people like you – when someone see those like you – after years of being together finally epically happy on their wedding day and is offended and threatened by that happiness and works to stop it – YOU WILL WEEP UP A STORM. No one has sought to get him fired – evidently it is inconvenient truths that you hate – his contribution has been widely-known since 2012 – but no one thought that Mozilla would be so indifferent – if not contemptuous of Gays and Lesbians as to actually make him CEO. Your need to always play the victim – poorly – is the only thing typical here.

      • InconvenientTruthsYouHate

        Ricky says “I am sure” and “people like you”… Hah! You have no knowledge of “what kind of person” I am, and are just flying your “petulant ignorance flag” for all to see.

        In case you’ve been asleep at the wheel for the last 15 years, the courts and the legislators *ARE* already taking away (or trying to take away) many of our rights, yours and mine both. Much bigger, more fundamental rights than you are talking about here.

        The difference is that I’m not being a weepy, butthurt, or childish about it, nor pontificating on my imagination regarding strangers’ life stories. I am fighting where it counts — not wasting time harassing some individual business owner or CEO whose line of business has NOTHING to do with my rights being threatened.

        In addition to the legislators and courts who are working to harm civil rights, I also contend with plenty of shallow, ignorant, hateful “regular citizens” working against those same rights — voting, rallying and begging for us all to be inmates and indentured slaves, supporting the power grab giving up their and MY free speech, privacy, and choice.

        So don’t try to claim to know who I am, what i’m about, what adversities I’ve faced in my life, or how I react to such things.

        Regarding your claim that “no one has sought to get him fired”, you are either severely misinformed, in denial, or a flat out liar. The social media crapstorm has been filled with hateful, petty, vindictiveness and openly spoken wishes to see him blackballed, or even killed.

        People like them, trying to get a man’s livelihood and career ruined over a difference opinion, and those who side with such people, are generally the same kinds of people who support legislators doing their dirty work and stripping rights and choice from anyone they disagree with. They all make me sick.

        Thus far you would seem to be among them, unless you can say something redeemingly non-narrowminded or self-serving at this point.

        • Ricky

          You are nearly as complicated as you think you are – you are patently predictable – your never-ending ever present need to play the victim of NOTHING – you are facing nothing that all Americans are not facing – and you compare that to gays and lesbians being singled out in California to have their right to marriage taken away – and their marriages ANNULLED – do you never get tired if not bored – like the rest of us — with your never ending pity party for YOURSELF after having lost nothing? And hey, editing can be your friend – try it.

        • Jeff Jankowiak

          You have no idea what it means to take away someone’s rights. May I suggest you go visit Russia, North Korea or Iran. What you are experiencing is evolution my friend. The days of being a privileged white guy is gone in this country. You are being forced to play on a more even field. I would suggest you brush up on your skills.

          • InconvenientTruthsYouHate

            How arrogant you must be to claim to someone you don’t know that “You have no idea what it means to take away someone’s rights.”

            May I suggest you go to the UK where everything is roses and social justice, where there is no poverty or violence, and everyone gets everything for “free” from the government. Sounds perfect for you.

            What you are experiencing is delusion, my friend. You have no freaking idea what my back story is, and you ASSume and ASSume and spew your oral diarrhea all over the place.

      • Jeff Jankowiak

        People like “Inconvenient” are the biggest cry babies of all. Just try taking one of their rights….out will come their guns.

        • InconvenientTruthsYouHate

          Seems to me, given your barrage of arrogant, petulant replies, that you are the real crybaby here: calling names and making childish taunts, committing logical fallacies all over the place, like bringing up the strawman of gun violence. You are offering valueless ranting and accusation-making, nothing more.

    • Jeffrey Marks

      An employee’s marriage is definitely a part of the HR department of a company and therefore part of its operation. Given that Eich doesn’t believe that some employees have the right to receive marital benefits (and therefore marital benefits from the company) it is business related.

      • NYCBK123

        That’s a different situation, though. He is obligated to follow the law. If he had failed to recognize marriages after Prop 8 was overturned, I’d be right there with you.

    • Jeff Jankowiak

      Opinions are one thing. Actions and money is another. Mr. Cathy found this out with that chicken dump. All actions have counter actions and Mr. Eich is learning this. He doesn’t seem very smart does he?

  • Dave

    Everyone has a right to their point of view and neither the majority nor the minority should force their beliefs on someone else. If Brendan aspires to traditional family values and the historical framework of the nuclear family, then that his his personal right. It does not mean that Brendan is going to try to influence his personal feelings in the workplace. Everyone who has a normal job knows that is a fact. There are lots of different opinions in the workplace but Brendan is going to focus on building the organization’s net worth. Mozilla is not a public interest group and it does not influence the popular view about gay marriage, right or wrong. Don’t worry, you won’t be seeing any banners in your Firefox browser supporting traditional marriage.

    • Jeffrey Marks

      A bigot is unlikely to treat all employees the same. A bigot is not the representative any company wants to serve as its face to the public.

    • Jeff Jankowiak

      This man has a the right to his view. But when you back your view up with $$$$ then the view becomes an action. And actions have consequences. And they come in many different forms.

    • Marco Luxe

      The corporate question raised is: How smart can this guy be if he believes such crap enough to put money behind it? If he was coerced by the hierarchy of his religion, that still raises the question: how much leadership can he show if he can be coerced by irrational ‘reasoning’ into doing something so deliberately hurtful? If this is the case [we don’t know, he’s not saying] it’s obvious he would fail the Milgram Experiment. What kind of leader is that? Owen Thomas has it right – a convincing apology that shows evidence of intellectual growth, PLUS a BIG donation [millions out of his own pocket] to an equality charity.

  • Thomas Mc

    I don’t support bigots, Mozilla just lost me. I’m looking for a replacement for Thunderbird starting today.

    • InconvenientTruthsYouHate

      So you think an entire company and organization can be deemed bigoted just because one person in it is?

      Do tell — how exactly has mozilla FACTUALLY demonstrated bigoted behavior? How have they refused service to you based on any personal criteria?

      Do you have any facts, or are you just operating on pure, unadulterated, emotionalism and spite?

      Do you even know what “bigoted” means?

      • Jeff Jankowiak

        It is Mozilla that did this. It was a man. But unfortunately that man is in charge of the company image. I urge Mr. Eich to seize this opportunity so he can keep his job. The troops need a general they can trust. If not, the army can fail.

  • jayarr8

    He says he will show, not tell. Well…..it is very easy to show and demonstrate his current thinking right now by taking action. He is obviously begging for time, but any crisis manager will tell him to deal with it now. Mozilla is a non-profit org. As everyone knows, NPOs are scrutinized much more closely by the press and blogosphere than for-profits. NPOs are expected to be much more open to public review. And, no matter who is in the top job, CEOs are on the firing line for being effective leaders, in private and public life.

  • MrEDK

    A $1,000? Really?! You make it sound like he wrote the damn bill himself!

    • Teammm

      It’s not easy having a bigot run your company when you’re all about innovation and inclusiveness. Hurts morale.

    • Jeff Jankowiak

      When you achieve this level in an organization everything you say and do comes under a microscope. This guy has a lot of talented young people who no longer believe in segregation and second class status for others. This man has a chance to atone for his foolish actions. The time is now. I hope he does not let this opportunity pass.

    • Ricky

      You make it sound like Eich did not donate thousands more to the Congressman who actually did write the bill.

      The bill was designed to do one thing – it could not stop gay marriages – and it could not nullify those that had taken place – it was designed solely to delay gay marriages and to punish gays and lesbians in California by reminding them the their rights – unlike the rights of other – could be taken away – even if only temporarily.

      Proposition 8 was always supposed to be punitive – Eich knew that – and he supported that.

    • Dave Jannsen

      What about someone who donated $10 to a campaign to ban interracial marriage? Would you defend that too?

      • RegularGuy55

        That’s a ‘strawman’ argument. Deal with these facts, not hypotheticals.

      • Thomas Weiss

        I wonder if you realize just how much black people hate homosexuals equating their struggle with what blacks have been through….love to see you try it face to face….

  • RegularGuy55

    Sure. Let’s punish someone who holds different beliefs. Let’s root them all out until the only people remaining think and act a certain way.

    Why is it that groups which seek tolerance are so damned intolerant?

    “Right thinking will be rewarded, wrong thinking punished.” – George Orwell

    • Jeffrey Marks

      He’s more than welcome to act and believe what he wishes. However, there are consequences and one such consequence is that it’s unlikely you’ll be a good leader to a workforce that includes people you feel are not worthy of equality.

      • MrJamaican

        He’s the co-founder of the company and the company has seen tremendous growth since its inception, I’m sure him being the leader he is has contributed to that. Now you’re telling me that those years of his leadership mean nothing because it’s come to the forefront that he doesn’t support gay marriage? Please help me understand how that affects his role in advancing the company…
        You will never agree with everything your boss does and he will never agree with everything you do. If you hate what he agrees with, leave. You can’t try to force the boss to leave because of his opinion on something.

        • Jeffrey Marks

          If you believe that all that matters in life are profits, probably it doesn’t. However, Mozilla has had a brand which is innovative and unique. Bigotry is not a part of that brand. Would you say the same if he was a member of the KKK?

          Bosses have the ability to fire employees if they don’t agree with what they do (e.g. controversial stances on social media). Why can’t people do the same to a boss?

          • Josie

            He hasn’t fired anyone for being gay. He hasn’t demoted anyone for being gay. He hasn’t had anyone removed for being gay. What is your problem? Tolerance only go one way? Sure looks like it.

          • Jeffrey Marks

            He donated to a cause in order to keep gays in a perpetual state of second class citizenry, a type of Jim Crow laws, without access to all of the rights and benefits afforded to heterosexuals. Should we really be tolerant of bigotry?

    • Jeff Jankowiak

      He is welcome to think and believe as he does. The action becomes very different once you start sending money to a group of thugs and liars. He was wrong and he should own up to it.

      • RegularGuy55

        Certainly no bias showing on your part. Anyone who disagrees with you is a ‘liar and a thug.’ Got it.

        • MrReally

          You just don’t get it do you. This isn’t about the views Eich holds, it is about the position of responsibility he holds as a CEO of a major company. A responsibility to not promote ideas that are hurtful to a class of citizens in this country. Part of the U.S. Constitution that we all uphold (or should if your American) What part of that do you not understand??

          • Josie

            What part of the constitution don’t you understand mr really? I have a copy right here and have read all through it. This man, Eich, has not fired anyone for being gay. He has not implemented policies in Mozilla regarding firing gays. He has not done anything the other side hasn’t done, which is put his money where his mouth is. And yes I get it!!!

          • MrReally

            So? What is your problem with Gay and Lesbian people that you have to drive your point home? If this man had been discovered to be part of the KKK or Anti-Semitic or even found to have ties with Al Qaeda, his head would be on a platter. How is this different?

          • RegularGuy55

            No, I do get it. What you can’t see is that people with deeply held religious beliefs are just as hurt by this ‘class of citizens’. They are being told that if they believe what they believe, they will be punished by taking away their jobs, and maybe their freedom.

            Our country was founded (in part) to prevent government endorsement of one religion, and to prevent government persecution of all religions.

        • Jeff Jankowiak

          Not true. I did not use those words. But there is one thing about disagreeing on religious principles..it is another to use your checkbook.

    • Dave Jannsen

      Regularguy: Yes. You don’t seem to understand freedom of speech. He has a right to say whatever he wants and donate to whatever cause he wants. If he donates to a cause that I find offensive morally I have every right to object to it and not use his product! That is the marketplace of ideas and me expressing my free speech rights to. There is NOTHING Orwellian about that, it is the most American thing possible for me to say- I’m deciding NOT to buy your product.
      Would you think otherwise if this man was speaking out and supporting causes against interracial marriages? Do you object to the right when it boycotts companies due to their support for marriage equality- they do it too. It is all part of the marketplace of ideas and the free market. Grow up!!!!!!!!!!

      • RegularGuy55

        But they are calling for him to be fired for expressing his opinion. That’s light years away from a boycott of a product. The radical zealots are saying this man has no right to hold a job because of his personal opinion. And that is despite a complete lack of proof that his personal opinion(s) in any way influenced his business decisions.

        Don’t try morphing the laws which protect all of us from discrimination into some new right to never be offended.

      • Josie

        He hasn’t fired anyone for being gay. He hasn’t written anyone up for being gay. Your argument doesn’t hold water.

      • Josie

        He hasn’t fired anyone for being gay. He hasn’t written anyone up for being gay. Your argument doesn’t hold water.

      • RegularGuy55

        This has gone WAY beyond a simple product boycott. The zealots are demanding that the man’s job be taken away. That he be denied the right to earn a living because of his beliefs. You REALLY don’t see THAT as a punishment for the individual? THAT is precisely what Orwell was saying.

        Even the most extreme people on both sides of the political spectrum fear the concept that free speech can be bullied out of existence. If the left can do it to the right, it’s conceivable that the right can do the same to the left.

        BTW, since Firefox and the other Mozilla products are free, your boycott has just about ZERO economic impact.

  • oaklandj

    As someone who actually used Firefox at both home and work, I stopped using their browser when I read about this. I’ve switched to Chrome.
    It isn’t a matter of Eich “expressing himself.” He donated $1000 to a cause that everyone knows used lies and propaganda to demonize gay people and keep us as second-class citizens. We’re not talking about his personal beliefs or even his vote on Prop 8. Those are private. His donation history is not.

    • yung n hung

      I also switched to Chrome and love it! Fast and clean browser. Never would have thought to try them out until this.

    • Josie

      I use Firefox and will continue to do so. His donation is NO different than someone who donates on the other side of things.

      • oaklandj

        Well, maybe you’re an opponent of marriage equality, in which case you want Eich rewarded. Unfortunately, I suspect you’re in the minority among Firefox users.

    • Josie

      I use Firefox and will continue to do so. His donation is NO different than someone who donates on the other side of things.

  • Marvin Buddy Threatt Wilson

    Goodbye Mozilla. I can find better products from more productive companies and I’m sure that my friends and family can do the same.

  • I_RIGHT_I

    Here is comes. Tolerance for me none for thee! Go buy a freaking Apple product like the rest of the homosexuals if you don’t like this man’s opinions. It sure would be a shame if people could be allowed to think what they like, support whom they choose and carry a gun. Oh wait. We do carry guns don’t we?

    • belofball

      Change ‘gay’ to black, Indian, Asian etc. Now get it? What is “Here is comes” anyway? Are you threatening people with your all powerful gun? Guns are easier to use than talking and reasoning.

      • I_RIGHT_I

        Huh? Why would I compare a mental illness to a race? I don’t get it. Are your threatened by guns? Get one yourself. It’s a free country unless your White, Christian and think homosexuality is nasty.

        • belofball

          Sorry–I didn’t realize that you were out-of-your-mind. Good luck!

          • I_RIGHT_I

            Tolerance for me, none for thee.

          • MrReally

            You use the word homosexual, like southerners use the “N” or say “Colored”. It is insulting and disusting, we are human beings and it is time people like you get that through your heads.

          • I_RIGHT_I

            You are homosexual. You should be used to it by now. You’re practices, politics and proclivities are insulting and disgusting to most of the human race. It is what it is.

          • Jason Lamphere

            Sorry to break it to you but your being delusional again. It is your practices, politics and proclivities that are insulting, disgusting and dangerous to most of the human race. You know what makes this straight white guys stomach lurch in a very real way? The fact that you exist. You don’t get to pretend like you speak for everyone else. You’ve lost and that’s why people like you are so vocal about it. Its the crying of sore losers with some sort of mental impairment.

          • Fran

            @ right…….What’s it like for you to know every child being born into today’s society either is [Str8 and doesn’t care about your xtian opinions] or [Gay and never did care about your opinion].

          • Thomas Weiss

            Now who’s really delusional here?

            Over the millennia homosexuality has surfaced and even gone
            somewhat mainstream many times, but has never flourished (thrived) as a way of life …it won’t be any different this time….any honest person has to ask himself why, don’t they?

          • MrReally

            You haven’t the slightest idea of what your talking about.. There are many valid scientific theories about why it appears in many species, including man and continues to consistently appear. So it would be nice if you would stop making things up and trying to make it sound like the truth. The Earth is not flat and you won’t fall off the edge.

          • Thomas Weiss

            “””but has never flourished (thrived) as a way of life “”””
            Try addressing what I wrote Mr. Delusional….THATS a fact…..

          • MrReally

            At least 10% of the population is gay and has been since the species appeared. I don’t know where you get your info, but we can and do thrive, despite people like you.

          • Thomas Weiss

            “””At least 10% of the population is gay”””
            Does it bother you that your estimate is 300% higher than GLAAD’s estimate..
            I get my “info” from world history, you should try it. Homosexuality as a lifestyle in civil society has never thrived anywhere for very long.
            Maybe what you mean is “survived”…

          • Josie

            Sorry, for every scientist you find who “proves” you’re born that way, I can find the same amount or more who say otherwise. Your argument doesn’t hold water. And there are no ‘genes’ that prove anything gay either. It isn’t there.

          • MrReally

            No you can’t and your doing the same thing, talking about things you have no understanding of.

          • Josie

            Sorry, for every scientist you find who “proves” you’re born that way, I can find the same amount or more who say otherwise. Your argument doesn’t hold water. And there are no ‘genes’ that prove anything gay either. It isn’t there.

          • Josie

            Ummm, nowhere did he say he spoke for everyone. Sounds like you are a closet case.

          • MrReally

            I am just pointing out that people like you can’t seem to use “gay or lesbian” which is how we prefer to be referred to. You insist upon using words that help to convince youself that we are somehow subhuman. As you continue to demostrate.

          • I_RIGHT_I

            In what universe should someone like me care how someone like you wants to be addressed? I want you back I the closet so I don’t have to look at your or listen to you. When the backlash hits it’s really going to hurt. You might get a jump on that closed closet trend that’s coming. I’m really sick of you disease ridden psycos trying to play the Black card. The word homosexual will never become the “H word”. You ain’t Black and they hate you for trying to ride their coat tails. Just FYI

          • Josie

            You tolerance (NOT) is showing mr really .

          • MrReally

            I don’t tolerate people that hold those views, Josie. Why should I? And feel free to call me intolerant until the cows come home.

  • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family TerriGeer

    As a long time Mozilla user, and as a long time pro-SSM person, I think that this protest is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    As long as the CEO, or any other employee, doesn’t discriminate against SSM employee’s or volunteer’s I see nothing wrong with him being the CEO.

    • MrJamaican

      Exactly man! Exactly!
      If he starts getting rid of people on the basis of sexual orientation alone then of course he needs to go, but he hasn’t done that! All he did was have an opinion!

  • belofball

    Back to Safari.

  • Sane America

    THE DAYS OF THE DEEP SOUTH ARE OVER…

    Bigotry and hate in the workplace is out.

    Equality is in!

    Mr. Eich, you are still living in the dark age…your views are not welcome in todays new world. It is time for you to go.

    • RegularGuy55

      It sounds like you’re ready to ‘tar and feather’ anyone who doesn’t agree with your definition of ‘equality.’ I don’t suppose you’re capable of introspection and can see that your response is pure intolerance, huh?

      • cwayneu

        Can you get married? If yes, can you file a joint tax return? Can your spouse be covered under your health insurance? Can you make emergency medical decisions for your spouse? The answer for gays is “NO” to all of the above. This must be some alien mathematics to be seen as equal.

        • Bob Platt

          What is marriage? The bible defines it as the union of a man and woman. The problem isn’t with marriage, it’s with the benefits our government has provided to married people. We need government to change, not marriage. So we change the law to provide the same legal benefits to any union of 2 people of concenting age. (An idea I whole heartedly support!)

          • cwayneu

            A starting point compromise. That is certainly better than the situation now. But again, it is still not the same principle. First off this assumes that the entire population cares about what the Bible says. There are millions that follow one of 100 different faiths, or none at all.

            For example, how about a law that says you must marry strictly within your own faith (Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah Witnesses, Jews, Mormons, Hindu, Muslims, Buddhist, Apache, Atheists, …), where you agree on rules. That sounds reasonable on the surface, and many folks would actually vote for it. However, I suspect millions would be screaming that it is unfair.

      • l1ttlet3d

        There are different definitions of equality?

  • MrReally

    I am currently using Firefox and I am gay, unless this man admits what he did was wrong, I will never use this browser or anything else from Monzilla.

    • Thomas Weiss

      I’m pretty sure he’d be ok with that….he just can’t say so publicly because of Big Gay’s reprisals.

    • Josie

      I currently use Firefox, and this man has a right to his opinion, his belief, and anything else that belongs to him, and I will continue to use Firefox!

  • yung n hung

    He STILL hasn’t said his opinion has changed. I will not use his product.

    • I_RIGHT_I

      What? Did you think he was going to change his mind just because a few sexually confused switch to Google Chrome? The NSA’s AIDS hunters have that browser wired by the way. You didn’t really think those detention camps were for Tea Party members did you?

      • Welp

        You do know that Mozilla and Chrome share a variety of the same dependencies / features with one another, right? Hell, Google is even giving Mozilla money to help them stay in the game!

        Enjoy using your botnet browsers. If you aren’t compiling your own at this point, you’re just as idiotic as the Yung guy.

        • I_RIGHT_I

          I was pulling his er, chain. yung n hung? I don’t use either one, not a browser fan boy, don’t really care so I don’t know what you’re talking about. What do you mean by “compiling your own”. What are you using right now? I’ve got IE something or other.

    • Thomas Weiss

      Good.

  • Sarabjeet Singh

    Why the hell would anyone use firefox anyways ? its got such a complex and not-so-user friendly GUI. I used it for a while but then I just discovered chrome and never went back !
    Chrome is simple, easy to use , no toolbar clutter ! SIMPLE and Google and its CEO Larry Page people are awesome,

  • fetis26

    It’s man opinion. It you don’t respect it why he should respect yours?

    And there’s a good browser for such “non-traditional guys” — Internet Explorer

  • FireFoxed

    Chrome is garbage, I’m still using firefox, you anti-firefox bandwagons can use chrome all you want. Just because you sensitive morons cry about a straight persons view on your so called right which biblically you have none, doesn’t mean you tell someone to step down because they view differently. And stop comparing personal preference to race, cause it has no weight or comparison to race. Get over it, stop the lies. You weren’t born that way, OK. Lets face the facts when you were a baby you didn’t have a clue what gay was, when you were in 3rd grade you didn’t know what gay was. All of the sudden you were born that way. So I guess Santa Claus is real and we have reindeer flying across the sky.

    If he wants to support anti-gay he is in the right, so be it. You idiots want the same rights as heterosexuals, clearly you can’t reproduce so how is that going to work. How are 2 guys going to get preggo, doesn’t exist let alone 2 women. There is man for woman, and woman for man, get that into your brains before you die in the lies you created. And the parents that support their children for being gay should be slapped for lying to their children.

    If you feel offended by what I just said, then you can go and cry about how I made you feel butt hurt to someone that actually cares to even listen to your sob story.

    • MrReally

      Well so sorry, but the Universe doesn’t need God or the fairy story you call the bible either. You keep using your religious beliefs to justify hatred and then you wonder why we are offended.

    • MrReally

      Well so sorry, but the Universe doesn’t need God or the fairy story you call the bible either. You keep using your religious beliefs to justify hatred and then you wonder why we are offended.

  • PJ

    This is horrible, I remember reading about the death, torture, rape, murder and sadistic killing of your people, I remember the hangings, the beatings and burnings. jim crow, segregation, being bitten by dogs and being sprayed down the street with fire hoses and the continual systematic oppression of your people, so much so it is clearly active and visible today…..WAIT A MINUTE THAT WASN’T THE HOMOSEXUALS…Those were African Americans, Get off the backs of my ancestors, like your battle can even measure up. I will never respect, validate or even acknowledge you because you marginalize my people and their struggle for your perversions. From now on, I am using NOTHING BUT FIREFOX. Stop trying to force your beliefs on others as if they aren’t free to put their money where they want it or believe in what they want to believe. If someone doesn’t want to represent your cause, why should they have to? Why should you force them to believe in 2 men or 2 women being married. That is not the way everyone thinks and they should not be forced to accept that. It is not the new normal for everyone, quit doing to everyone else what you don’t want done to you. Everyones life is their own, you have no right to tell someone that they have to believe in what you believe in. NOTHING BUT HYPOCRITES…

    • cwayneu

      First off, I totally agree with you that there is little comparison
      between the horrors of African American (and Native American Indian)
      injustices, and homosexuals. Although there have been many homosexuals
      beaten, tortured, and murdered just because they are. The only
      comparison is that in all cases, in American founded as a free democracy
      (not fascist state), their civil rights have been violated (the 14th
      amendment). You should understand this better than most. And you seem to
      be talking out of both sides of your mouth. You said “Everyones life is
      their own, you have no right to tell someone that they have to believe
      in what you believe in.”. That is exactly the point. No one is telling
      you to become homosexual. No one is telling you to attend, or even like
      homosexual weddings. But the current law that Brendan Eich help fund,
      denies this right to homosexuals. The state has no right to pick and
      choose who can, and who cannot, get married between consenting adults.
      It is no skin off our backs, who gets married. And if you follow
      research, there is evidence that it is not a choice. In the most
      comprehensive study of its kind, Dr Michael Bailey, of Northwestern
      University, has been studying 400 sets of twins to determine if some men
      are genetically predisposed to being gay. The study found that gay men
      shared genetic signatures on part of the X chromosome – Xq28, not seen
      in others. We have two nephews that are gay, and we new from the time
      they were about three years old that they were different. But again, you
      don’t have to believe it or like. But in your own words, you don’t have
      the right to tell others they have to live the way you want them too.

      • PJ

        “To you be your way and to me be mine”….the point is, stop comparing, stop telling other people where they should put there money, stop hating others and and what they believe and tell people how bad they are because they don’t agree with you. I have homosexuals on both sides of my family. They know how I feel and we still love each other nonetheless, we are still family and act like it, but we are also people with different ideals and beliefs (that happens everyone will not believe the same thing). When people start hating each other for what they believe because it is against you, it is as you say “talking out of both sides of their mouth” as far as science goes, there are scientists and studies that go in both directions. your scientist studies doesn’t hold any weight and just as I thought someone who didn’t understand what I typed has commented on it, lol. No one has to fund, like, or support any laws, bills, acts or anything else that they do not want to and if someone due to their personal belief decides to, then they should not be persecuted, ridiculed and publicly “flogged” as you people like to do. If they are in opposition to you, then they have a right to be in opposition. People aren’t and shouldn’t throw away their religions, beliefs, holy books (whatever faith they are and moral standings for someone else’s approval, that shouldn’t have to be their job, Double standards..hypocrisy always lace these conversations and it’s disgusting… So again, to you be your way and to me be mine… I probably won’t revisit this, because it’s the same weak argument. If you people want donations/money for your causes then don’t be upset when others donate or put their money in opposition. It’s their money. Oh wait, their money can only be used in support of what you think it should be used in, LOL yeah right…. sounds good and rational to me. wow….

        • Vlad Schilling

          hahaha how naive you are

          • PJ

            Im glad you think so, meanwhile you keep fighting for what you believe in and so will I and we can both have a good laugh. :)

        • cwayneu

          I don’t hate anyone. Anyone can believe and be disgusted at whatever they want. I am fine with that. The point you are missing is when people fund and help pass laws that violates ANY groups civil rights (equal protection and liberties), that is totally different. The KKK funded the segregation laws and it was absolutely wrong. Was that OK? Men passed laws denying women the right to vote. Was that OK? Again, I don’t care what Brendan Eich wants to believe or what he approves of personally. That is his business. But when he or anyone lobby’s, and funds legislation, that denies any rights they enjoy, from minority groups they have crossed the line. They are forcing others to live by their beliefs through laws. They are actually breaking the law by violating the 14th amendment. These violations eventually get fixed, but it sometimes takes years. You should be very grateful for the 14th amendment, otherwise we might all be bowing to Scientology rules. lol

          • PJ

            And you continue to use race as a comparison, lol same ol thing….

          • cwayneu

            The law denying women a vote had noting to do with race. And you refuse to see that the issue is, violating the civil rights of a minority (ANY minority), violates the 14th amendment. It’s not giving them something you don’t have. It’s not giving them special treatment. It’s about giving them the same liberty you have. Simple.

          • PJ

            and you refuse to see that, that specific fight is not upon everyone’s shoulder’s. That is NOT everyone’s battle and it shouldn’t be, we all have beliefs on what is right and what is wrong. I’m not trying to change your belief so stop trying to change people’s minds on what they believe. If they are for it, then they will be for it…if they are against it… then they will be against it. Whatever the case may be and who ever chooses to fight or not to fight for that cause, that will be their choice. No one should make that choice for me or anyone else and then tell us where we can or can not donate to or patronize someone’s business because they don’t agree with you. I am who I am, I believe what I believe and that doesn’t involve you or anyone else. You can love what I stand for or hate it, regardless I will remain standing. And that is something you refuse and this is why I say, to you be your way and to me be mine. I can engage in discourse a little back and fourth, I actually love debate and have since I was little girl. However, at this point I will say thank you for the discussion and I truly hope you vigilantly continue your pursuit of what you believe to be equality and I will continue mine. I wish you well….

          • Bob Platt

            Does being in the wrong mean you lose your job? Does supporting someone else’s mistake mean you get blamed? Do we judge people’s professional status on their personal decisions? Should we? If you gave money to (hypotheical organization) the Segregation Society of America should you lose your job?

            In principal I agree with PJ – Eich should be free to give his money to any group he wants. If that group creates something fundamentally flawed then he wasted his own money. That doesn’t make Eich a criminal.

            I also agree cwayneu that gays should have equal rights. Maybe marriage isn’t for gay couples as it’s a religious construct, but a similar legally binding contract that affords them the same rights as marriage should exist.

    • cwclifford

      Oppression and marginalization of homosexuals has been around as long people have been slaves.

  • Jebril

    How do gays expect people to accept them when they can’t accept others for having another opinion? This is not anti-Gay, this is anti-Gay marriage, that could be for a sea of reasons aside from bigotry. One is the fact that marriage gives tax benefits which are usually netted because of children. Children are not naturally present in gay couples they have to adopt children to have their own. However adopting children gives you further benefits, things like that matter to normal people too.

    • MrReally

      I AM normal and I don’t want or need your acceptance of who I am. You keep missing the point. equal means equal, and by the way, gay men AND women can have natural children. So again here you are making assertions and assumptions that are uniformed and based on prejudice and erroneous beliefs.

    • cwayneu

      Having another opinion does not impact their lives. You can dislike each other as much as you want. When you pass laws, restricting liberties you enjoy from a minority, it is beyond opinion. You are violating their civil rights. It is scary that people only seem to care, when it is their civil rights being violated. And equal protection and liberties under the law, does not mean “except for those groups us majority does not approve of”. Don’t approve of them if you don’t. Don’t invite them to lunch. Don’t go to their weddings. They are not asking you to be gay. They just want equal liberties.

      • RegularGuy55

        If only that were true. In fact, the recent prosecution of a CO baker is clear evidence that there is no ‘live and let live’ here. The gay couple could have gone to any baker, but they insisted on a baker whose religious beliefs disagreed with their agenda. That baker will lose his business, and may even be jailed because of BELIEF he holds.

        Catholic hospitals (and doctors) can’t be compelled to perform abortions. During the Vietnam War we offered ‘Conscientious Objector’ status to men whose religious beliefs said they could not take someone’s life. But when it comes to gay rights, we are told there must be 100% total agreement and acceptance – regardless of any religious beliefs. Is it any wonder then, that a lot of people see gay rights as a means to dismantle organized religion?

        • l1ttlet3d

          I see your point. A baker should have the right to deny service to anyone he wishes – it’s his bakery. Private property. Private business. You’d have to allow him to deny service to black people, people of different religions, disabled people etc to be consistent of course. Assuming you’re on board with discrimination being allowed with consistency then I can see where that position is coming from.

          Marriage is not a private institution however. It is administered and operated by the government. The government can’t be allowed to discriminate and I don’t care what your private views are. Any attempt to use the government to restrict equality or liberties must be viciously opposed and squashed. Equating not making someone go to war and not allowing them to restrict someone’s right to equality is ridiculous.

          • RegularGuy55

            Do not twist what I wrote. I based my comments only on religious beliefs, and nothing else.

            The KKK strawman argument has become a dumb cliche’ that liberals trot out when they want to shame people for holding religious beliefs.

            The ‘government’ already allows Catholic hospitals and doctors to refuse abortions because of Church teachings.

          • l1ttlet3d

            Fair enough. Magic man told you to hate – so hate you do. Got it.
            You realise that makes your beliefs unsupported? I praise the intellectual honesty in not trying to construct fallacious arguments to support your opinion like a lot of others tend to try to do. If your opposition is just based on your religion though then it isn’t worthy of discussion. This is the real world. Government policy shouldn’t be based on religious belief here.

            PS – That is by definition “Religious Bigotry”. Let’s call it what it is, shall we?

          • cwayneu

            Very naive. You said “The KKK strawman argument has become a dumb cliche’ that liberals trot
            out when they want to shame people for holding religious beliefs.”.

            News Flash (1) – The KKK was founded and supported by Protestants, who very much “believe” that the Bible absolutely supports their beliefs.
            News Flash (2) – Although not as big, the KKK is still very much alive. (Ever heard if Sundown Towns?)

            Point being, it is completely valid still today, that they would absolutely discriminate against a long list of races, religions, and beliefs, if they could legally get by with it. That is why ANY law, that restricts public freedoms of ANY group is dangerous. Prop 8 does exactly that. Again, they are not asking you to be gay, or love gays. They just do not want to be discriminated against. I am sure you want the same for yourself.

        • cwayneu

          You are getting off topic with religious freedom laws. This article was about Brendan Eich’s specific support of prop 8, a law denying homosexual couples from legal marriage.

          As for your bakery; so a bakery who is owned by a devout member of the KKK (religious by their definition, not mine), can then refuse to service Catholics, Jews, African Americans, and everybody else they hate. Or let’s let Christian Scientist make some laws. They would totally eliminate the need for hospitals and health care at all. Or is it OK only when your religion is the one controlling the laws. The point being any law based on beliefs, religious or otherwise, that violates other peoples equal rights is illegal.

    • l1ttlet3d

      “This is not anti-Gay, this is anti-Gay marriage, that could be for a sea
      of reasons aside from bigotry. One is the fact that marriage gives tax
      benefits which are usually netted because of children. Children are not naturally present in gay couples they have to adopt children to have their own”

      Just as they aren’t in the marriage of a couple older than child rearing age. You’re opposed to elderly people marrying too, right? If not… are you sure it’s not bigotry driving this??

    • cwclifford

      You ask why people “can’t accept others for having another opinion” SO MUCH SO THAT YOU LEGISLATE TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT ANYONE ELSE CAN DO???

      • cwayneu

        Absolutely. The Pro Prop 8 supporters cannot get that (or do not want to it). Supporting and/or funding a law that denies them the right goes way beyond a difference of opinion. You are now impacting their lives to fit your beliefs. Let’s let Utah passed a law that only Mormons can be legally married in that state. Not…

      • Jebril

        It’s the same thing with all victim less crimes, you can argue indefinitely about that but the fact of the matter is the guy merely voted for a bill that was proposed by some lawmakers in the state of California. There’s worse out there like supporters of unnecessary endless wars that send American kids to die for their pockets to get filled and the criticism against them is no where near as loud. I didn’t hear of any Congressmen, Senators or Cabinet Members stepping down because of President Bush or Obama’s decisions or opinions to fight wars that will our kids.

    • Lucifuge

      “How do gays expect people to accept them when they can’t accept others for having another opinion?”

      If gay people want to be accepted they can’t have their own opinions about other people’s opinions? Only “normal” people are allowed to have differing opinions?

  • Josie

    Sorry but they can and do. If the other side can put money down on the opposite side, then the other one can do so as well. It is you who is confused, and totally one sided.

    • cwayneu

      So they are wrong for wanting to stop a law that violates their civil rights? If I fund and campaign for a law that stops anyone named Josie from voting, then are you wrong for trying to stop it from passing.? Of course not. That is like saying women were one sided for marching and protesting to get voting rights. This is not rocket science. Fighting for equal rights is not the same thing as someone fighting to take away someones equal rights.

  • I_RIGHT_I

    You are an affront to civilized man to compare your struggle with any other human’s fight for dignity. You are the opposite of a crusader for freedom. You are demanding that 99% of the entire universe bow to your demands. FU, it ain’t happen’n.

  • cwayneu

    Jason, that was perfect. A+

  • TimsH1

    What a complete load of garbage! Proposition 8 was NOT “anti-gay” nor was anyone’s support of it “hateful and irrational”! The support of true marriage as the ONLY union that promotes and protects the rights of children to their parents, the only union that promotes the complementarity of spouses, the only union that is the solid foundation for civil society, the only union that has a valid right to be promoted because of the unique value it yields to society does NOT equate to any type of attack on homosexual unions. Gays are entitled to form any union they choose. Prop 8 did NOTHING to change that. It only said the state did not have to recognize any other union. We already see the grave consequences of SSM and the attack on anyone who disagrees with it. The ones who are hateful are the ones who insist on redefining marriage for EVERYONE else and on punishing anyone who dares hold a differing view.

    • cwayneu

      Based on that, then any heterosexual person that is sterile, or any heterosexual couple that have already decided they do not want children, should be denied a marriage license, since marriage is only valid to pump out those kids. Everybody else should just live in monasteries. Wow…

    • Thomas Weiss

      Big Gay twists everything they can get away with, the truth is not important to them, and character does not matter if it gets them the results they want….On the other hand more and more people are understanding this and that will eventually be their downfall…..Since the dawn of civilization homosexuality has surfaced and even been somewhat mainstreamed many times in many places but has never thrived as a way of life. Occasionally the lesson has to be learned again, which is what’s happening right now, it’s just a matter of time.

  • WJ Alden

    Oh, is it already time for another two minute hate?

    I wish Mozilla would have made a more reasonable CEO choice, like maybe a Communist. Everyone knows that you shouldn’t blacklist a Communist. Blacklisting a Prop 8 supporter, though, is perfectly reasonable.

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  • Dave Jannsen

    I guess what people don’t understand is that I am free as a consumer to call for the resignation of someone who donates or supports hateful causes. The second I point to interracial marriage and if we would tolerate someone who supports a ban on that I am told it is a straw man. It’s not. Gay rights are civil rights, you are free to disagree with me, and you are free to call for keeping this man as CEO. Anti gay groups are busy boycotting and demanding much of the same on their side. This IS American democracy: Mozilla is under no obligation to bow to our pressure (or the pressure from it’s own board btw and employees who wrote a letter asking for a different CEO due to his stance). The bigots always come out to support their man on these forums.

 
 
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